I have received a number of emails regarding the content of my site.
I have decided to respond to some of them here.
I refer to the writers only by
initials to protect their privacy. Personal information has been deleted
from the replys. Any letter that specifically
asks that it not be posted will not be posted here. Feel free to write a
Many of the links here are to offsite sources.
1. HARES AND GRASSHOPPERS
On Dec 30, 2004 KH wrote:
just come across your website yesterday, and have been enjoying it
very much! I teach…Bible…but this doesn't mean that I have turned my
mind off! I begin to question the sincerity of your "search"
however, when I find questions that you pose as "examples"
purporting to show the Bible is inaccurate, especially since I can,
and did, find the answer online in about 1 minute.
I am glad that KH has not turned his mind off. I wish him well in his
I am sorry that he questions my sincerity. I assure everyone that I
have written this site with all sincerity.
Yes, I have no doubt that one could find an answer to many of my points
in one minute on the internet. I myself link to some apologist’s sites
that supply similar answers to Biblical questions. But we need to ask
ourselves if the answer is valid. It is not enough to give an answer. The
answer must be valid.
I had written at my site, “When I read the
Bible, it does not take long to find something that does not look right to
me. For instance, why does Lev.
11:6 say that rabbits chew
their cud? Rabbits do not chew their cud. This passage is mistaken, isn't
it?” KH responds:
(Heb. 'arnebeth) was prohibited as food
according to the Mosaic law (Lev. 11:6; Deut. 14:7), "because he
cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof." The habit of this
animal is to grind its teeth and move its jaw as if it actually
chewed the cud. But, like the cony (q.v.), it is not a ruminant with
four stomachs, but a rodent like the squirrel, rat, etc. Moses
speaks of it according to appearance. It is interdicted because,
though apparently chewing the cud, it did not divide the hoof.
There are two
Syria, (1) the Lepus
Syriacus or Syrian hare, which is like the English hare; and (2) the
Lepus Sinaiticus, or hare of the desert. No rabbits are found in
[Source: Easton's 1897 Dictionary online from
respect, it appears that you have not done your homework by asking
this question. This is no contradiction, nor error here, merely a
description easy to understand quickly in much the same way as you
used the phrase "find something that does not look right to me" If I
was to insist on a literal meaning of your verbage, without
considering that this is a commonly employed idiom, then your
phrasing would not make sense either, and is a contradiction because
there is nothing in the Bible that "does not look right to me"
literally. So, if you really are going for truth, then you must
consider the genre as well as other factors when exegeting a
Well, it seems to me that KH has found the reason why the Bible records
that rabbits chew their cud. It seems that hares commonly move their
mouths in a way that looks like chewing the cud, but they do not chew the
cud. So we can understand how a primitive writer could be mistaken. He saw
the rabbits’ mouths move, and concluded they were chewing their cud. So he
wrote that they were chewing their cud, but the writer was mistaken. This
is why I think the writer was not an omniscient God. For God would have
known better. He would have known they only appeared to be chewing their
KH may be arguing that the writer was trying to say that the rabbit
looks like it is chewing its cud. But that is not what the writer says. He
said the rabbit chews its cud. In that the Biblical writer must surely be
I have heard another explanation for this passage. It is reported that
some rabbits eat their own feces to re-digest the material. Some have
suggested that this is what the Bible means by chewing the cud.But this explanation is wrong
also.For the Bible does not
say hares eat feces. It says they chew the cud. The words literally mean,
“bring up the stomach contents.” And eating feces is not the same as
bringing up stomach contents. So it seems the author is wrong. See Chew
May I also clarify that, when I had stated that I find things in the
Bible that do not look right, that was only my lead-in to the arguments I
was making. I was not declaring that the Bible is wrong because it looks
wrong. I was saying that in many places the Bible looks wrong, and I went
on to explain in detail exactly why I think the Bible is wrong.
note that the verse here does NOT SAY that grasshoppers have 4 legs;
yet you made that assumption in your post. It actually says,
"...winged insects which walk on all fours. . ." you seemed to
assume that this meant only that a grasshopper has 4 legs, which in
fact it does not say. I found the following information on a
random website giving general information about the grasshopper.
Note the last line; grasshoppers walk on 4 legs. Wouldn't you
agree that there is really no contradiction here after all?
Legs: The long hind
legs are used for hopping. The short front legs are used to hold
prey and to walk.
The verse in question is Leviticus 11:21-22 where it refers to, “winged insects which walk on all
grasshoppers do not walk on all fours. They walk on all sixes.
No, the source KH quoted does not say that grasshoppers walk on four
legs. It says the four short legs are used for walking. But the two hind
legs are also used for walking. So the grasshopper walks on all sixes, not
on all fours.
I look forward to many hours of thinking
about some of these issues; currently, you have many very
interesting links and statements about Creationism, and young earth,
etc...that I have personally begun to
KH is truly involved in a noble search.
2. GOD AND CREATION
On 12/31/04 JB wrote:
was reading your web site and to tell you the truth i cant really
argue agianst any of your points, simple because I dont know enough
about the bible to do so. But i do want to congradulate you on
questioning your beliefs, i believe that is healthy thing to
I am afraid that many people know as little about the Bible as JB
claims that he does. The answer is simple. Pick the Bible up and read. If
you start at Genesis and start reading—ignoring the notes that people have
inserted, and looking strictly at the text—it will not take long for most
educated readers to realize that something is very wrong with this
question to you is with all this understanding of scripture why do
you go about trying to disprove it by saying you cant prove it? can
a man understand completly how the earth was created? i doubt it, no
man can ever understand completly. The earths creation is but one of
Gods many things. God never says understand me, he says have a
relationship with me. God says we cant understand him. So of course
we cant prove he exsists. the funny thing about God is it requires
And so JB claims that God is beyond understanding, and so we should
just accept what he says. But JB doesn’t seem to realize he is begging the
whole questions. What words has God said? Has he said the words of the
Koran or the book of Mormon? Has he said the words of the
Didache or the Gospel of Thomas? If JB wants me to believe that
God has spoken certain words, must he not give me a reason for believing
they are God’s words?
the Hebrew text the word "days" in genises actually means "periods
of time" not really days.
I don’t know why JB mentions this. I have provided links to this view
where I discuss the age of the earth. Many accept that Genesis may refer
to long periods of time.
However, if one reads Genesis 1, even by replacing the word “day” with
the phrase “period of time”, he will find that the chapter is still far
from a scientific account of creation. It is difficult to escape the
conclusion that Genesis 1 is the mistaken beliefs of men.
will never be able to prove god. If we are made out of gods love he
wouldnt force us to believe in him. People dont force people to do
stuff cause they love them, no they let then have free choice just
as god does for us.
Fine, I am glad that JB’s god allows me free choice. Now what does he
want me to choose? In the absence of a clear way of knowing what God
wants, I cannot know if I am doing what he wants.
Perhaps God, if he exists, honors intellectual honesty. If this is so,
than it seems God would want me tell people what I really believe, rather
than pretend to believe something I don’t.
just wondered why your trying to disprove Gods word to which may
have mistakes due to changing the translation, when the thought of
God has brought hope to so many
I understand that many have found hope in the Bible. But many have
found hope elsewhere. As I show at my website, I think the hope that is
found elsewhere is superior to that found in the Bible.
I want to leave you with this question I heard once "in the
begginning there was a partacle" or "In the begginning there was
intelligence and communication" which one makes more sense to you. I
would never say ignore science, though i do believe god ueses the
laws of nature which he has created, i would be foolish to think
otherwise. I ask that you please respond to this I would be much
appriacted of it, i would love to hear from
I deliberately avoid the topic of what happened before the first second
of the Big Bang, for I do not know. I have left it open that it could be
an intelligence that created the Big Bang. This is not my point of
contention. So why is JB trying to raise an issue I do not raise?
Even if JB can show that an intelligence started the
Big Bang, that in no way proves that he knows what that intelligence wants
3. WHY DO I DO WHAT I DO?
On 1/2/05 AW
is by no means a critique of your web articles that I have glanced
through but admittedly have not read under a microscope. Also,
please excuse the poor English, I am a middle eastern and english is
not my mother tongue. I am impressed by the loads of work you have
put into your research; but more importantly, I genuinely agree with
you that all Christians should examine the pillars of their faith,
to ask questions, tough questions, even the big question involving
the credibility of our Messiah.
I am not, however, impressed
with most of the logic you present, especially logic concerning
Okay, AW is not impressed with my
logic concerning evolution. But where is my llogic wrong?
Allow me to say that I am
not impressed with your sixth readings of the Bible either. The
Pharisees and the priests knew the Torah by heart and yet this
immense amount of literal knowledge did not help most of them
understand the spiritual nature of God. Neither did it help them
realize God’s plan for
Now I find that, not only is
my logic supposedly bad, but also that I have “sixth readings” of the
Bible. What does AW mean by this? I am simply showing what the Bible says,
and why I think it is wrong.
I am curious how AW knows that
his interpretation of the scriptures is right and the Pharisees were
wrong. For it seems to me that the New Testament writers badly
misrepresents the Old Testament. How is AW so sure he knows what the Old
Testament really means?
And BTW, it appears that the
Pharisees were not nearly as legalistic as the New Testament portrays. The
Pharisees wrote things that were very close to the Sermon on the Mount. It
appears that the writers of the New Testament were misrepresenting the
There is a fundamental flaw
in your understanding of pain and I believe it is the source and
driving force behind your bitterness towards
Bitterness toward God? What is
AW talking about? Where do I say anything that could be interpreted as
bitterness toward God?
This has nothing to do with
bitterness. It has everything to do with the facts. Which facts have I
Flip through your Bible and
find one Biblical character that wasn’t struck by the pain of
tragedy. There is a trend, the closer you come to God, the more pain
you will go through in this life. Apparently, God does not see pain
as a “bad” otherwise He would not have planned to go through pain
Himself as a human. I ask thee: should the raw gold feel bitter
towards the goldsmith because he chooses to place the metal into
excruciating fire to purify
But surely AW does not believe
that all pain is good, does he? What about a girl that was abused by her
father and grew up neglected. Did God want her to have this pain? If so,
AW worships a strange God. If not, then AW admits that some pain happens
in this world that is not good, that a loving God would not want. And that
is the pain that Christians must explain.
If the Christian suffers
sexual abuse, and the goldsmith does not want her to suffer in this way,
then it is not the goldsmith that placed her in the excruciating fire. It
is not even done to purify her. And it would seem that one would then be
right to be angry that it happened.
in the Bible does Jesus promise happiness on earth to his
you equating joy with happiness? There is joy, not happiness, for
example in being persecuted for Christ’s sake because God is with
The religion we were seeking
was one that put a stop to pain and one that makes life easy and
pleasurable; for God to bring us back to Eden basically. That sort
of happiness cannot be found anywhere, but especially in
Christianity (remember, we’re the religion of the cross). Given that
definition of happiness that cannot coexist with pain, I think you
have made the right choice in abandoning faith in
Who is it that expected a
happiness that made life easy with no pain? Certainly not I. AW is beating
a straw man when he argues with the man who is expecting no pain. There
are many things in life that disappoint me. But, in spite of the problems,
I am thrilled to be alive, and I am happy.
And I do hope that AW is also
happy, in spite of his claim that his Jesus does not promise
For me, the most important
question is the afterlife question. It all boils down to this one:
eternal destiny. If there is no life after death then why care about
anything except instant gratification: we might as well eat, drink,
and marry for we die tomorrow as the Bible says. There is also some
mathematics involved in this question as Pascal, the father of
probability, pointed out. I am sure his wager is no news to you. In
this wager, how do you respond to the risk involved in living a life
Yes, I have heard this many
times. I am told that I should believe, just in case God punishes
unbelievers in eternity. This is known as Pascal’s
But exactly how should I
believe? Pascal taught that I should practice the Catholic faith to save
me from damnation. Is that what AW teaches? Should I follow Catholicism?
Should I also follow Protestantism, Islam, Judaism, and all of the cults
just in case?
Besides, if I follow a faith
just in case it is right, and act as though I believe something I do not,
I would be dishonest. So, for Pascal’s wager to work, I would need to be
intellectually dishonest and pretend I believe something I don’t. Would
God honor that? If so, then God honors intellectual dishonesty. If God
honors dishonesty, than why trust him? For a God who wants us to lie about
our beliefs might me lying about his.
There is one other option:
That God exists and loves honesty. If that is the case, then I am doing
the right thing by stating what I have discovered. And so, if I must place
my bets on God and eternity, I would bet that an honest God exists, and
that he will want me to be honest.
It is unquestionable to me
that a Godless life is as purposeless as the process of evolution
itself, after all, how could a mechanism devoid of purpose carry its
ingredients purpose to give its “creations”? Perhaps you feel there
is no need for purpose and that life is to be enjoyed period without
My life is filled with purpose. I am sorry that AW
cannot see that.
The irony Mr. Hertzler is
that you are still a door to door missionary except now you’re
witnessing to the home team. I wonder why? Why did you decide to
make it your life work to prove Christianity’s fallacies? Why didn’t
you move on with your life the second you consciously abandoned
Christianity and do other things, to just “enjoy this good life” as
you put it? Why preach the new faith Mr. Hertzler? To gain ground,
acceptance from others, to feel that you are not the only one to
come to such conclusions?
To shake your fists in anger
at the God of the Bible? Or is it for the good of your fellow men? I
think the latter is as far a motive as any for you; how could you
care, why would you logically care whether others find happiness or
not? You feel that you will never stand before an all knowing judge
so then you have no motive to be accountable for you have no moral
authority to be accountable to. Why then help others? Because it
And with that we have
rounded a full circle that sent us back to the starting point of
your search for
AW addresses my motive. Why do I do this? I do this
because I want to help. There is something inside me that wants to help
others. I think I can help by sharing what I have learned in life. So I
gladly do it. It comes naturally.
Sadly, AW cannot understand why one would care who
does not believe that he will stand before a judge who will judge his
life. So AW cannot understand why I would care. This is the tragedy of
Christian belief. Many have been taught to do good so they get a heavenly
reward. This has been so ingrained in many people, that they cannot
consider that others might actually want to help people. There is that
within humans that wants to help others.
difference between us is that I search for meaning. My happiness is
in finding meaning and there is no meaning in the evolutionary
humanistic religion. I am willing to go through suffering for the
rest of my life given that I find meaning in it
I find it odd that AW says my life has no meaning.
For it sure seems like it has meaning to me.
AW is apparently willing to suffer with the hope of
eternal benefits. But shouldn’t AW check to see if there really will be
a last remark to make and it is concerning your rather generous
acceptance of other faiths like Islam, Buddhism, and atheistic
systems. I find the western fascination of men like yourself with
Islam and Buddhism amusing but ultimately absurd. You put such
credibility on these belief systems based on the four or five
muslims/buddhists you have met. I doubt very much that you have
given one tenth of the serious examination you’ve given to
Christianity to these other faiths. Come to the east my friend and
see firsthand the effects that these “other paths to fulfillment”
have had on our societies. But of course you don’t really know or
care even whether such faiths are really alternative paths to
fulfillment. The argument of other faiths is just another asset to
place on your balance sheet to further solidify your anti-Christian
Where have I recommended Islam and Buddhism? Is AW
making this stuff up?
What I say is, if one is going to decide about
religion solely by faith, than one cannot tell which faith is better. On
the other hand, if one compares the religions based on reason--as AW
appears to recommend here--then why not allow me to present the reasons
for my view?
have gone through the majority of the doubts that ultimately
shattered your faith; I think ever serious Christian does and
should. There is pain in doubt that’s for sure. Apparently, one must
go through doubt to develop faith. Are you completely confident of
the evolutionary outlook? I am sure the certainty brings you
pleasure, after all, you can’t get disappointed with humanism
because unlike Christianity it offers no promises of eternal life
and the likes of peace and joy on earth. I hope you still realize
that there is a limit to your and my understandings of life. I
didn’t write this to convince you of anything, that doesn’t interest
me, nor am I responsible for it. I wrote because I sympathize with
your doubts. I hope there is still room in God’s heart for people
like you and me; ones who think they know when they are ignorant;
ones who are proud of the strength of their conviction when they are
devilishly hoaxed. Remember, when you fall, and sooner or later you
are bound to, you will be on your own. You have no bridge, no way
out, and you will live with your choices regardless of whether you
will to or not.
If I fall, I know that I have done what I could.
And I can expect that, if I need help, there would be folks around that
share my desire to help others, and that would gladly help me in my need.
So, if I fall, I do not think I will be on my own.
4. JUST HAVE FAITH
On Jan. 18, 2005 GD wrote:
in Matt. 13:58 “He did not do many mighty works there because of the
unbelief” and it says in Mark 6:5-6 “That he could do no mighty
works there except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them
and he was a amazed at there unbelief” It is possible that doubt
know that the bible says all things are possible with God but maybe
he requires Faith. I think God wants us to believe in him it says in
scripture “ it’s
impossible to please God without
And so GD informs me that my doubt “unables” and
that, with faith, all things are possible. But there was a time that I too
had faith—great faith—and yet I still found some things impossible. Now
the verse GD refers to says all things will be possible to him that
believes. That verse must be mistaken: For I once believed, and yet I
still found that not all things were possible.
Perhaps GD will tell me that my faith was not
strong enough. But does anybody have the faith that GD speaks of? If
nothing is impossible to GD, then he should qualify for the million-dollar
prize offered by James Randi. (Click here) So why has nobody yet shown
enough faith to claim that prize?
GD seems to suggest that I should ignore my
doubts, and try to believe anyway. This is something I have done many
times in my life. I have had many waves of doubt as a Christian. But I
always managed to push those doubts aside and stick with faith. I find
that I am much happier and am more successful if I allow unwanted thoughts
to be processed in my mind, and do not try to push them out.Apparently GD
suggests that, if a doubt comes into the mind, I should just force it away
and think only thoughts of faith. This seems to me to be bad advice. See
Suppressed Thoughts and Christian
5. DO I NEED SALVATION?
On 1/20/05 JW writes:
happened upon your site while browsing on the subject 'God is in
control'. Your article questioning whether God is in control was
very good. You have a very incisive reasoning ability.
In my opinion, God is definitely
not in control of everything, as your analogy about the polio
vaccine very adequately illustrated. I believe, as you do, that
suffering is bad, and that we should seek to eliminate it wherever
possible. In the vast majority of human suffering, I believe God has
Yes, I have found that a number of modern Christians
do not accept the Calvinist idea of a God who controls everything. The
recent tsunami was a good case in point. Could God have possibly wanted
that to happen? The old Calvinist answer was “yes.” The new answer is that
God simply chooses to let nature run its course. But how can one worship a
God who knows this tsunami is bad, and could easily have stopped it, and
did not stop it? See more at Did God Want Charlie to Hit
As I read
through some of your other articles, your perspective on
spiritual things became clear. I was saddened to read that you
once had a lively faith in God, but have since abandoned it. You
mentioned that you are just as happy now, if not happier, as when
you believed in Jesus. You said that people can find happiness in
many different ways.
can be found in many ways. But eternal salvation can only be found
one way - the Lord Jesus Christ. I know you have discarded your
belief in the Bible, but I'm still following my first
Yes, I am definitely happier now that I have told
people I can no longer believe.
JW has his mind set on eternity. Faith may do little
to stop a tsunami or give peace of mind, but there is still the claim for
eternity. But why allow one’s life to be dominated by a religion with no
real evidence it will help for eternity?
I have no
criticism for you, no animosity, no axe to grind. I just wanted to
drop you a note and say that I love you. And I'll be praying for
you. God bless you my friend.
glorious love and grace,
If God is counting prayers, than I must be up in the
upper percentiles of petitions on my behalf. I wonder what JW is praying
for. Is he asking that I abandon reason and believe anyway? Of is he
asking me to understand that reason really supports his faith? If so, how
does reason support his faith? Where is my logic mistaken?
so much for the information in your website…One of my questions
concerns whether American Christian Fundamentalism is a form of
religious failure, or if it represents a successful form of coping
for the culture that created it. I have my answer outlined in my
head, but you helped to jog the creative juices and give more food
for thought. I have bookmarked your website so that I can read
it in its entirety when I am finished with finals. The reason I took
this class is because I've been a seeker all my life. Each time I
find something that is "The Truth" I have found it to be a giant red
flag, for exactly the reason you stated..if we find "The Answer" it
causes us to stop seeking and to stop questioning. It makes us
"right" and someone else "wrong." It divides and creates prejudice.
I think the important thing is to never stop seeking in sincerity.
In this way we are free to be who we are and also to evolve into who
we might be. Anyway, I'm rambling on. I have never replied to anyone
before on the internet and often find very misleading information,
so I always proceed with caution; but I was so taken by the
intelligent and humble manor in which you presented your information
and opinions. Well done,
I am glad that SK is a seeker and
keeps her mind open. I think she will find many answers as she
see if I have this correct ?
Gospels copy each other they can't be correct ?
Gospels do not say the same things they cannot be correct
Have a nice
YO apparently thinks he has found a fatal flaw in my
logic. But I think he misunderstands.
I never said that if the gospel writers copy each
other they cannot be correct. I say that if one author lays out another
book and copies it (with changes) that this does not count as an
independent witness to the events. And it is quite clear that this is what
Matthew and Luke did. So they are not independent witnesses.
YO also misunderstands that I think that if the
gospels differ they cannot be correct. That is not the point. The problem
is that they contradict each other. See Contradictions of the Gospel.
If four independent witnesses wrote, we would expect to
see four different complimentary views of each event. That is not what we
find. We generally find outright copying, unconfirmed accounts, or
contradictory accounts. This is one reason I think the gospels cannot be
8. OLD EARTH CREATION
haven't explored you site fully so forgive me if this is old
read a book s few years ago written by a Christian scientist who
made a compelling arguement for old Earth AND dispeled
evolution. I don't recall the author or title and I lent the
thing out to someone who lost it. Where are a
couple of thoughts from that book which I found compelling plus a
wuestion of mine.
First of all, for one to believe in recent
creationism asks all scientists to cast out ALL of our know
scientific discipline. Young Earth simply does not fit the
math of what we see in the geological record. The author also
pointed out the fact that the sedimentary rock formations at the
mouths of ALL major rivers is several MILES thick. Something
that Noah's flood cannot account for.
would add to this the fact that Earth simply could not have gone
through the formation process, all of the astrinomical hits, the
dinosaur age and the like to 2004 in the time frame of the young
real problem for the young earth crowd is the 6 days in
Genisis. They simply cannot accept the idea of anything other
tha 6 24 hour days.
book I read accounts for this very nicely in that the origianl
manuscripts employed something call paranthetical expression and
that the 6 days themselves were nothing more than the steps taken to
build this place. Finally - I would ask
why is it old earth and creation can't co-exist.
are the fundemantalists so bent on young Earth and brand old Earth
folks as evolutionists?
Fogive me if this is a well trodden
I have never accepted young Earth and
Okay, we have here
the old earth creation view. DC is correct that the data simply does not
conform to the young earth view. So DC has found a way to make the Bible
compatible with an old earth. He sees Genesis 1 as using poetic language,
and not really meaning a six day creation. I acknowledge this view, but I
think one must take a lot of liberties with the text to make it teach an
old earth. If the writer of Genesis had intended to teach an old earth it
would seem to me he was incompetent. I would think a competent writer
would have found a way to write more clearly.
DC wants to know why an old earth and creation can’t
coexist. Well, perhaps they can, but would somebody please tell me exactly
how old-earth creation works? I have found that old earth creationists are
extremely vague when it comes to describing how this creation actually
took place. Are we to believe that adult zebras suddenly popped up out of
nowhere, in full violation of the laws of nature? And did this type of
creation happen many millions of time throughout history? If new species
have been popping up out of nowhere millions of times throughout history,
could it happen tomorrow? Could you be walking through a field and
suddenly have an elephant pop up in front of you?
I find that old-earth creationists are unwilling to
deal with such questions. Until such questions are dealt with, I don’t
think they can bother putting their proposal on the table. Without
details, they have no proposal.
9. “I’M VERY SAD FOR YOU”
Thank you for your web site. I read it with
an open mind, and allowed my faith to be challenged.
Now, I'm very sad for you. You were on your
way -- walking in the light, and then you gave the devil
victory. I'm sorry for you, and I will be praying for
I am glad GP reads with an open mind. But I am
curious what makes her think I gave the devil the victory. I am merely
reporting what my mind has discovered. Is that wrong?
10. “You are
on your way to Hell, friend"
sounds like you are well aware with the doctrine of
forgiveness. But if the story ended there, then I would have
struggled with the "sinful nature" or the "wicked inner man" (I
believe you termed it that) the rest of my life. But no, I got
sanctified wholly (1 Thes. 4:3 " For this is the will of God,[even]your
sanctification",1 Thes. 5:23). Holiness, is what
you needed through those years, a heart set free (John 8:34-36) "Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto
you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of
sin.And the servant abideth not
in the house for ever: [but] the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall
make you free, ye shall be free indeed " So like I was saying, I got
sanctified, this is my testimony, what happened to
me! Now you might say, that is fine with you, but
I don't have to go that way! But that is wrong, for
Christ said (John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the
way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by
me.) God's Word also says (Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all, and holiness, without which no man shall
see the Lord: ) Holiness by definition is "to be free from sin and
sinful affections) WHEN you were saved, you never continued on into
Holiness or receiving a Sanctified heart. That is why you
struggled with doubts and fears, I some struggles to, until I got
Okay, so BJ now has
sanctification and is free from sin and sinful affections, and has no more
doubts and struggles. I am curious how he got rid of all wrong affections.
Most Christians readily admit that they sometimes have bad desires. But BJ
claims to have found his way to holiness, which he says means freedom from
sinful affections. I wonder if he has any references to people that would
like to acknowledge that he is free from sin and sinful affections. I
wonder if his family will agree with him. If he has such a great cure for
the problems of mankind, I wish he would share how he obtained it, when so
many others are struggling.
as your concerns about whether or not the Bible is accurate or not,
the Bible says (2 Tim. 3:16All scripture [is] given
by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for
reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: ) it
DECLARES itself. It does not establish an argument for
itself. You might say why wouldn't it make an
argument? Well who in the world do we think we are, that
GOD ALMIGHTY would have to justify himself to
Well, I am not sure
which books 2 Timothy is referring to. I wonder if BJ would kindly give us
a list of all the books the writer was including and how he knows these
are the books 2 Timothy was referring to.
I am curious how BJ
responds to the many prophets who declared, “Thus saith the Lord.”
Jeremiah tells us that many said that, but did not really speak for God.
Is Jeremiah wrong? If these guys claim to be giving God’s word, would BJ
ask us whom we think we are to question if they are giving God’s word? I
think not. I think BJ would be skeptical of the claim if he found out that
Jeremiah was skeptical. So his argument that we must believe something to
be inspired because it declares itself to be inspired is not valid, is it?
need to humble ourselves before God and realize that we are only on
this earth for a short time, and with Christ as our redeemer and
sanctifier then we have no hope
If Christ is our
hope of heaven, does Christ expect us to lie and tell people that we
believe something that we don’t? Or would he want us to be honest? I’ll
take my chances that, if there is a final judgment, God will have wanted
me to be honest. I cannot see how pretending to believe an ancient book
would help me.
concerns about creation were interesting, the Bible declares that
God created the earth and since then questions have
been brought to you that you could not answer about dinosaur
fossils and wind blown rocks and things. Well Duet.
29:29 says "The secret [things
belong] unto the LORD our God: but those [things which are]
revealed [belong] unto us
and to our children for ever, that [we] may do all the words of this
law." If God has not revealed it to us, then why in
the world should we question
Well God has not
revealed Maxwell’s equations either. And I think it was okay for
scientists to go ahead and discover them.They form the basis of modern electronics
and the computer that BJ uses to write to me. If God has not written about
computers in the Bible, why does BJ use them? And if BJ can use knowledge
of computers not found in the Bible, why can’t geologists and biologists
use knowledge not found in the Bible?
listening to the radio one day about a Brain Surgeon(who was
not a Christian) that was studying the thought processes
of the brain, and he realized something....you can
trace the thought process to a certain point but after
that, it is un-known how the mind works(after that conclusion
he realized there was something more then this life, he got
Of course we do not understand everything about the
mind. But we do know that the mind is a function of the brain. And if the
brain is gone, how can there be a mind left?
getting sanctified and dying to myself (Galatians 5:24) and
receiving the fullness of God (Eph. 3:19) I have seen the power
of God work in MARVELOUS ways. I've seen men get delivered of
addictions to cigarettes and seen the Spirit of God
work on people in marvelous ways(I could tell you lots of
stories..). It is SO amazing to see God's
BJ has a marvelous life (assuming we can believe what
he says). I am glad he is happy (if he is indeed happy). I too have a
marvelous life. Is he glad for me?
Now this is why I am writing this
email, not to have a "intellectual" discussion or debate with
you but because you are in a very dangerous position' You said
"I find that I am far happier without the bonds of religion. It is
an amazing thing to set the mind free, free from the need to fit
everything into a predefined bias." on your web page. I do not
know if you have ever heard of grieving the Holy Ghost,
but you have smeared away all conviction to where this
whole "religion" thing doesn't bother you anymore. You
are on your way to Hell
And so BJ thinks I have grieved the Holy Ghost and am
on my way to hell because I declare that I have found happiness in a
different way from he. But why should I not say what I have found? Would
BJ rather that I lie about what happened to me?
people that debated with you about Christianity being false could
not tell you anything if you would have experienced God's
power, but you had an intellectual faith and that never lasts
As I explained at my
site, one of the two great pillars of my faith for a long time was the
experience that I had had as a Christian. I assumed that this was God’s
power, and was evidence that Christianity works. Perhaps BJ should read my story.
thing, your reasoning about Calvary and the Cross and HAVING to
believe in God an things was interesting, what you have done is you
have made God into your image or man's image(He doesn't have to use
the same rational or logic we do). Which friend, you cannot
do. He is God, He is Sovreign and He is
Okay, so BJ sees
that forcing somebody to believe so he can avoid hell is not rational. But
he tells us his God does not have to use the same rationality we do. If
his God can do things we would consider to be irrational and unethical,
how does he know he can trust such a God?
Furthermore, the Bible talks about deeper
damnations in Hell, to think you are turning people away from
the Christian faith, granted they didnt have much of a faith(or seen
God REALLY move) if they bought into your reasoning.
Well anyway, I did not right these things to argue with you, just
take it as another attempt of God to intervene in your life before
you pass on into the place you choose (heaven or hell). I rise
early to spend time with my best friend and counselor(and I will
pray for you as He leads me). You really are missing out. God
is so wonderful. Anyway, I hope and pray that you repent the
much wrong you have done and look to God in faith.
May you come to know
I have heard many
different people tell me that their way is wonderful, and that those who
don’t do what they do are missing out. And yet these people are telling me
conflicting things. And independent studies often fail to validate the
I am curious: Would
BJ buy into any religion he finds if somebody tells him he is missing out
without that religion? I think not. Okay, if BJ does not find the
argument, “You are missing out” convincing, why does he use it?
11. A DESIRE FOR OTHERS TO UNDERSTAND
I really enjoyed your website. I went
through similar struggles as you did. I was a devout
Christian and wanted to know more about God. The more I read
the Bible and the more research I did, the more struggles I
faced. God seemed to make less and less sense the more I
studied. I tried to find the answers to those questions which
only lead to more questions. After reading your website, I
became totally convinced that God is a lie. Your arguments are
very compelling and your website is organized very well. I
wish that more christians can read your website. The only
problem is that I have a very difficult time getting others to read
websites like yours. They think it's rubbish or from the
devil. They don't even take the time to read it before they
I need to know how to help
other christians see the truth. I need to tell others about
it, because I think that they've been brainwashed by the
church. I have friends who keep trying to persuade me to
believe in God and come back to church. After knowing the
truth, I just can't go back.
I wish I had you standing next to me to explain
to them why they're not thinking
I am glad that my site was able to
help DK and many others. It is sad that some people will not even look at
questions about their religion.I wish DK a wonderful life, and hope that
others can be glad for what he has found.
12. THE TUG OF WAR
never read anything so well reasoned about god. The constant tug of
war is tiring, from fear of unbelief to my mind refusing to accept
inerrancy. [A friend] is very hurt that I disclosed my doubts to
her. She says there are many fine men in our church that believe the
bible stories and she can’t understand my misgivings…Is there
another way to go. Can one not believe the bible is inspired and
still believe in god? I am searching for a way to make it fit. Can
you point me to more well reasoned info like yours?
VH has described a mental struggle
that many of us had experienced. Our minds refuse to accept inerrancy, but
there is the fear of what happens to doubters. VH is learning to set his
I have many links at my site to
other resources that may help folks like VH. When I read of others that
had been experiencing this tug of war that are learning to freely inquire
about religion without fear of punishment for asking, it makes the whole
effort at my site worthwhile.
13. BUT MILLIONS OF PEOPLE HAVE BUILT THEIR LIVES
so much things I would love to say to you in response to your
website. I actually stumble on your website by accident. I was
looking for a christian cite to strengthen my relationship with God
and not find something to discourage it.
did not get discouraged by reading your cite. It actually gave me a
renewed sense of feeling to renew my relationship with Christ.
I actually wrote to you to thank you.
I know you
don't need my prayers because what good would that do. Like
many folks, I grew up in a christian home. My father and
Mother raised eight children. I won't go intio details of my
religous background. All I can say is it was similiar to
how you were raised as a christian.
have made a very serious decision to challenge God and to descredit
what many millions of people have built there lives around. But I'm
not shocked, you are definately not the first nor will you be
the last. Throughout history there has many like you who has
made such bold statements.
all I have to say for now. Take care and God bless
Yes, I am aware that
millions of people have built their lives on Evangelical Christianity.
Does that prove it is right? Martin Luther exposed a religion that many
had built their lives on. Was he wrong to do that? Jesus, Paul, and Moses
are said to have exposed a religion that many had built their lives on.
Were they wrong to do that? It seems to me that, if there is something
better than what millions have found, it is okay to tell them
14. CHRISTIAN DEPRESSION
You seem to be very
happy without christ. I do not doubt that you or
anyone else can enjoy this world without christ. However,
if you are so into asking questions, don't you ever ask yourself
what happens after this world. If in fact there is nothing
beyond this world then it would seem to reason that everyone should
do as they pleased when they pleased. You know, live it up and
experience as much as they can before it's all over. That
would obviously lead to total anarchy, which does not seem to be a
very happy place to live. You could not enjoy things as you do
now. You would have to live in a constant state of fear.
Christians believe that god gave us his laws not to hinder our
happiness but to make it possible. By living under his laws we
will be free to feel safe and secure and fully experience the world
the way it was intended to be
TA thinks that only
a belief in the afterlife is preventing anarchy. I think he is sadly
mistaken. A belief in the value of being human as expressed in humanism
has given many a hope of a better society, and has made many into
productive citizens. So I think TA is mistaken when he says it leads to
TA says that living
under God’s laws will make one feel safe and secure. I would like to have
a copy of God’s laws, please. If he refers to the Bible, than I think he
is mistaken. How can one be secure when one can get the death penalty for
cursing a parent or picking up sticks on a Saturday, as recorded in the
I'm also curious as to why you seem to base a
lot of your current belief on an obvious problem with christians'
diagnosis of depression. Furthermore, it would seem a much
more constructive approach to try and help fix the problem rather
than turning away from it entirely, and seemingly criticize it from
the outside. It is a struggle to have Christ in your
life. With Christ in your life your conscience doesn't let you
just do whatever you want. But, since when is whatever
we want always good for us. The simple fact that Christians
may struggle with depression doesn't make christianity or
christ the problem.
I thank you for your
time and I apologize if this seems a bit rude. I am, however,
eager to hear your
that Christians often have a big problem with depression. Of course many
Christians disagree with TA. I have had people tell me—with a straight
face—that a mature Christian will never get depressed, and that any
Christian who gets depressed is not right with God. TA apparently
depression does not prove that Christianity is wrong. But if one is
evangelizing and saying that if one comes to Jesus he will experience a
joyful life, while knowing it may well lead to depression, that person is
doing false advertising.
I do not say that
humanism will cure all depression. But it is my belief that the mind set
free that learns to appreciate the wonders of humanity will tend to be
happy and free from discouragement.
visiting you're website occasionally whenever I try to find answers
concerning "God" and which religion is right... if any off
individual who was not predisposed to religion, I began to
research many religions including Christianity. I've
visited many pro and Christian bashing website, and I'd just like to
say that you're website is one of the most impressive I've
visited to this date. Its commercialized just enough to keep
the reader listening, while avoiding childish anti-Christian
comments and remarks. I've noticed a commonly occurring theme
within modern major religions. That theme being, adopt this
religion or you will suffer in hell/depression. From Islam to
Christianity, to Zoroastrianism, the theme has been constant.
So I’m really curious, you appear to have a very good understanding
of Christianity and its history. How do you believe the Gospels, in
a nutshell, came to be?…
Bible the unaltered word of God? No. It simply cannot be, due to the
centuries of social, political, language, and geographical changes.
In fact, the current Bible is not even complete. Many books have
been deleted in order to preserve the church's power. The most glaring purge was at the Ecumenical
Council at Nicaea in 325 ce.
I have a
question, are the original Gospels, ink to paper versions
existent? Or have they simply vanished? Also, I've never been able
to find out the reason why Torah translators decided to leave out
the so-called fathers name "YeHo". Instead, whenever "His" name was
mentioned, they used "The Lord"… any ideas or
It appears that the four gospels
began with the book of Mark around 70 AD. His intention appeared to be
teaching a Jesus who would soon come back and rescue Israel. He was
mistaken, but the idea became popular, and the other gospel writers
expanded on his ideas.
And no, we do not have anything
close to an original copy of the gospels. All we have is copies, which are
most likely corrupted.
DS mentions the custom of
translating the Hebrew name Yahweh (or Jehovah) as LORD in the Bible. I
understand that this custom began because the Jews did not want to say the
actual name. This odd translation contributed greatly to the acceptance of
the Old Testament. Few realize that when they read the word “LORD” in the
Old Testament, it literally means Yahweh, an
ancient god. So the 23rd Psalm literally
says, “Yahweh is my shepherd.”The Psalmist is choosing Yahweh, as
opposed to the many claimed gods. When the Psalms are viewed in this
light, they take on a whole new meaning. The Psalmist is merely bragging
that his god, Yahweh, can beat up other gods. But the modern translation
of the word as LORD, hides the real meaning of the word.
I just read your essay Self Esteem and Christian Belief.
Well done. Thanks. I have also read your Questioning Series and printed them off to share with others.
I really like your writing tone. It isn't angry or
condescending. Keep up the good
17.“YOUR LIFE COULD BE MADE FULL
, I read some things on your site ,
you had some bad experiences in what is typically called church
hope you havent lost your faith in God and Christ’s love for
you. His tomb is empty and your life could be made full
I think TW
misunderstands. My life is full now. Perhaps he was told that
non-Christians have an empty life, and he assumed it was true. I can
assure TW that my life is full.
18.SOMETHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN A
that you will come to know the power of God again before it is too
late. I noticed that only nonbeliever's comments are posted on
your front page. I came here to find encouragement on a final
exam that I am going to take in geology at ULM this week. I
found it in your doubt. Your doubt only made me stronger in my
faith in God. I have found the strength I needed to fail the
test on evolution, dates of Earth's eons, eras, and periods,
fossilization, etc. I feel that maintaining my 4.0 after 3
years in college is not worth losing my relationship with God,
losing the respect of my 2 children, or failing to set an
example of Christian faith. This final exam is just another
stepping stone on my path to Heaven. I will not let it stand
in my way.
TA wonders why I
post no believer’s comments on my title page. He is mistaken. I do quote
one believer who agrees with some of what I wrote, particularly, my
writings on geology. I tried to find a believer who would give a negative
comment and let me publish it with his name. So far I have found no
believer who will give me permission to do that. I even asked TA if he
would care to comment and give me permission to use his name. He did not
respond. Go figure.
TA must be very
smart. He had a 4.0 after 3 years of college. But he refuses to
acknowledge that the earth is old. Many Christians disagree with TA. But
TA knows they are wrong. How does he know it? He has faith that he is
right and other Christians are wrong. I suppose TA does not realize how
silly his blind faith looks from the outside.
for putting putting up your site. I just read your "How Questioning
Changed Me" article.
years of cover-to-cover Bible reading in various translations, I
just couldn't believe it anymore. I've not been in church for a
couple years. But frankly, I'm still hurting pretty bad emotionally
over the whole ordeal. I'm 33 but have been in Christianity since my
earlier memories. I miss God. I miss the concept of eternal life.
But I just cannot accept the Bible.
deconverted, did you go through a period of mourning? Did you ever
get over it?
Yes, it is normal
to feel great sadness when one realizes that his whole life was lived for
an illusion. But the joy of shaking it off, and moving on with life, can
soon overshadow that grief. I too went through that struggle.
There are many good resources to help people deal
with this grief. I link to some on my links page.
20. DO WE SUFFER BECAUSE WE DOUBT?
is that God is omnipotent and all things are possible he has no
limitations, but that doubt unables God and that hes not in control. If God was in control
that would mean that he allows: the holocost, rape , Child Molestation, Genocide and
terrorism ect. That
would make God a monster and the bible says God is love and that he
died for our sins, so I don’t think God is in
Read Matt. and Mark 6:5-6 these verses
prove that God could not do any mighty work or intervene because of
doubt, I challenge the
doctrine that God is in
Apparently GD thinks that the
victim of rape or the molested child suffers because of a lack of faith.
Can you imagine trying to explain that to the victim? Can you imagine
telling the abused child that this is happening to him because he lacks
faith? Can you imagine telling him he must only believe and all will be
I wonder how many people are trying
to force themselves to believe that all will be fine, thinking that if
only they believe their troubles will end. It seems to me that such
thinking only leads to despair.
21. WHY NOT TRY ALLAH?
I'm 19 years old, and a Muslim who is not really
your case, I started questioning many things about islamic beliefs,
but I found out many things that amazed me and only made me more
attached to Islam.
trying to convince you of anything, I've read your pages, and just
thought you might find this article interesting. It has a logical
Thanks for the link, KM. No I have
no intention of adopting Islam. I think it is built on false premises. But
I notice that the arguments for the Koran sound surprisingly like the
arguments for the Bible. I find the same claim that certain statements in
the Koran represent revealed knowledge from God. It is so easy to take
vague writings in the past, and reinterpret them so that they look like
the author had prophetic knowledge or keen knowledge of science that could
only have come from revelation. But this does not prove revelation.
Christians that are impressed with
the claims of Biblical prophecy should look at this site to find that they
are not the only ones making fantastic claims. If they were to take the
skepticism they have for this Islamic site, and apply the same thinking
style when they read the Biblical apologists, they would see why many of
the claims for the Bible are bogus.
22. LOSING FAITH CAN BE FREEING
so much for your website and your character. My husband and I were
raised in the church and grew up to have many unanswered questions.
Our pastor refused to even discuss the issues and we were forced to
find another church that would help us. We
never found that church. While our old friends (and even family)
disowned us because we left their church, we still weren't finding
the answers we were starving for. After almost a year of church
shopping, we were more confused than ever. Every Sunday's sermon brought a fresh load of questions about doctrine
and the Bible. We decided to stop going to church in order to purge
our minds and to study for ourselves.
studied the Bible itself. With so many contradictions and vague
lessons, there were no answers there. Then we studied the origins of
the Bible. Bingo! Some of the books you recommend we have read. We
learned the Bible cannot be the word of God. There is no evidence
that Jesus existed. What a relief! Losing our
faith has been the most freeing thing. Instead of trying desperately
to find our answers within Christianity and the Bible, we found
them in reason. We know how hard it is to examine what you
families are convinced that we are serving Satan, there is someone
like you that understands and has been there too. It takes courage
to search. I will be recommending your website to a friend who is
It is good to hear from others who have set their
23. THAT SCARY STEP OUT OF
I discovered your website today and enjoyed
reading some of your material...I wanted to complement you on your
reasonong ability. I have been one of Jehovah's Witnesses all my
life and for the last several years have found myself questioning
these beliefs. Like you, this fundamentalist background is all I
know and it is scary to venture out (especially when leaving your
religion means being left by your family and friends).
I understand the nervousness that one has in
abandoning his support system. Many find that too scary, so they remain
within the religion they were taught. They figure it is more important to
maintain the social structure they know than to admit the truth.
But is it not worth the risk? Can you imagine
having lived your life without ever stepping out and saying what you
believe? Life is short. It is up to each of us to make it worth living.
But if we hide our doubts, and hide our feelings, we will miss the
opportunity to ever express what we are.
MJ has bravely taken the first step. I hope that he
continues into the light.
your story. I've been reading lots of deconversion stories in
the last few months and it's interesting that there are so many
similarities between them. So many of us seemed to go through
a series of the same steps with similar kinds of doubts and fears as
we began to change our beliefs.