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For the record, here is the text of the diatribe that Iesha sent to me. My response can be found at What About Islam? (Part 3)

THIS IS IN REPLY TO "What About Islam? By Merle Hertzler"


ASALAM U ALAIKUM, 7EACE BE WITH YOU

Firstly I must apologize for not being able to reply for such a long
time but you must excuse me for i was busy with my exams following
which i had to visit New Delhi, the Capital of India.

Now coming to what Merle has written under the heading "What About
Islam" I must say that it really changed my views on the writer. I had
supposed him to be a fairly open minded person with ample reasoning
but his writings reveal a deeper and much darker part of his psyche, a
mind disturbed by prejudices and preconceived ideas. I have found Mr.
Merle to be like many others walking on water with feet of clay while
they think they are actually a "Mind set free" Really unfortunate!
Because since reading all that i can feel the zeal of putting up a
valid argument dying down within me. For the first time I doubt as to
whether this man will even acknowledge the most obvious merits of
Islam. I hate to say it but I doubt whether this debate will bear
fruit because my firm faith in the correctness of this debate was
based on my notions of Merle being a open minded person but i can see
all those illusions going down the drain. I do not mean to insult
anyone but i need to say that "Some people feel that they are actually
thinking when they are just rearranging their prejudices!"

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Now to put forth my arguments:


In The Name of Allah the Most Gracious,  Most Merciful… I bear witness
that there Is NO God but ALLAH and that Prophet Muhammad pbuh is his
last and final Messenger. That the Best Guidance is the Guidance of
Allah and the Best Help is that Which comes from him and that The BEST
EXAMPLE is that of Prophet Muhammad pbuh  and that he is and will
always be THE GREATEST LIBERATOR THAT HUMANITY HAS EVER SEEN; THAT
HUMANITY WILL EVER SEE!


1.    Merle says "I have searched in vain for the place where chapter 16
says these bees are female. Whatever Iesha is referring to must be a
very vague reference."
The reference is Chapter Number 16 & verse 68& 69. which is as follows
"AND THY LORD INSPIRED THE BEE SAYING: 'CHOOSE THOU HABITATIONS IN
HILLS AND TREES AND IN WHICH THEY BREED. THEN EAT OF ALL FRUITS (you
wish to eat) AND FOLLOW THE WAY FROM THY LORD MADE SMOOTH.'       

    THERE COMES FORTH FROM THEIR BELLIES A DRINK OF DIVERSE HUES;
WHEREIN IS HEALING FOR MANKIND. LO! HEREIN IS INDEED A PORTEN FOR
PEOPLE WHO REFLECT."
Anyone who reads the English translation could say that my claim was
at a stretch of vague reference since there does not appear to be any
mention of the sex of the bee.  However this must be seen as a
deficiency of the "English language translation" of the Originally
Arabic Quran. It is very difficult to translate a Classical and rich
language into a modern one. And as far as the Quran is considered,
take my word for it that YOU CAN NOT TRANSLATE THE QURAN WORD TO WORD
INTO ENGLISH WITHOUT ROBBING IT OF ITS DETAIL AND ELOQUENCE. It is
impossible to exactly translate the Quran because we can never convey
the message completely in the translation. And this particular
deficiency of translations manifests itself in this very verse,
because though the Arabic does refer to the sex of bees but in the
English it remains camouflaged or hidden. It is always advisable for a
person who wishes to analyse the Quran that he should know the Arabic
alphabets and a bit of grammar and one should never take a translation
for granted to be the exact CARBON COPY of the Quran, because one
thing is for sure that THE QURAN CAN NOT BE TRANSLATED.

Now moving on to analyse the verses we find that the English
translation reads: "AND THY LORD INSPIRED THE BEE SAYING : 'CHOOSE
THOU HABITATIONS IN HILLS AND…"

                      BUT the Arabic clearly reads: "Wa Awhayna Rabuka
Ila An Nahali ANI TAJAZI min al jibali…" Here the word TAJAZI is a
verb Meaning "to choose" but is as a rule used in the feminine sense
in Arabic.
The Arabic language has no neural gender i.e. "it"; consequently
objects or actions are either masculine or feminine. Eg: Instead of
"to do" we have "he does" or "she does" and instead of "to read" we
have "he reads" or "she reads". This is how the Arabic language has
evolved and this is how gender is expressed in verbs in the Arabic
language.  The prefix "Ya" indicates masculine gender and "Ta"
indicates feminine gender in the Arabic language. E.g.: In Arabic
Clothes are called LIBAS.  She wears is TALBIS and He wears is YALBIS.
Now coming to the verse 68: The word TAJAZI is translated as She chose
or She chooses in English (depending upon the Tense) & this Arabic
verb Tajazi is an infinite verb which does not change with change in
tense in Arabic sentences.  So here clearly the author of the Quran
does mean to address the bees as feminine.  If the reference was
masculine the word would have been YAJAZI.
                                                                            In
fact in other classical languages as well; of which I personally know
Urdu, Hindi and my mother tongue Kashmiri; we do use a similar way of
identifying feminine and masculine on basis of particular verbs.
                                                                          Just because
the English translation does not reveal the genders in the Arabic
verbs does not mean the verbs are neutral. In fact if a person picks
up a Hindi, Urdu, Kashmiri, Persian, Malayalam, Tamil, Dogri, Marathi,
Africans, Telgu or even Kashmiri Translation he would be clearly able
to see that the verse refers to Bees as Females.
Therefore whatever I am referring to is quite clear and unambiguous
and definitely not at a stretch of "vague reference".
2.    Merle says "If the Quran does refer to them as female, does this
prove that the writer somehow had knowledge of the sex of bees?"
If it Doesn't mean that… will Mr. Merle take the trouble of explaining
to us what it means?
Well Mr Merle "If the Quran would refer to them as male, would'nt
that prove that the writer somehow did not have knowledge of the sex
of bees?"
The fact remains that there are just two ways for a person to refer to
Bees in Arabic i.e. either as males or as females. I f we suppose that
a person is guessing he has one in a two chance of being right and in
this case the Quran happens to be right.
You say: "Or could he be using a female pronoun for bees?"
Well, that's what YOU think but "Coulds" "ifs" and "buts" won't
impress a person like me.
Well OK lets suppose that Merle is right and that the writer has just
used a female pronoun for Bees. In order to understand this lets
consider the example of a SHIP. A sailor could look at his Ship and
say: "She will set sail in an hour." And this is how English has
developed. If we were to try and express the same meaning in Arabic,
we would use the word SAFEENA for SHIP and HIYA for SHE in the Arabic
sentence.
Now, Applying the Same logic to verse 68, if the Author meant to Refer
to The Bee as he would refer to a ship, he would obviously use the
Female PRONOUN which in Arabic happens to be HIYA.                                                 
However may i pray remind you that no "FEMALE PRONOUN" is used in
verse 68! The word HIYA does not occur in the verse 68 and so the
possibility of arbitrarily using a female pronoun does not arise.
The fact remains that the Quran refers to bees while using a FEMININE
VERB and not a FEMININE PRONOUN. And such assignmets are not
arbitrary. Even a person like me would not do the blunder of using a
FEMININE VERB for a masculine or neutral object, where as I could use
a FEMININE PRONOUN for a neutral object like a Ship.
The Quran undoubtedly is quite ahead of its time because not only at
the time of the Quran but also a lot later people supposed the Bees to
be Masculine. In fact even in the plays of Shakespeare the Bees are
described as Males! Not only that, even Scientists for a long time
could'nt figure out whether the bees were male or female.
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AMAZING FACTS ABOUT BEES, BEE HIVES, METHODS OF COMMUNICATION, FOOD
GATHERING AND HONEY:
NOW, LET'S PONDER UPON THE VERSE:
"AND THY LORD INSPIRED THE BEE SAYING: 'CHOOSE THOU HABITATIONS IN
HILLS AND TREES AND IN WHICH THEY BREED. THEN EAT OF ALL FRUITS (you
wish to eat) BY FOLLOWING THE WAY FROM THY LORD MADE SMOOTH.'               
                                    THERE COMES FORTH FROM THEIR BELLIES A DRINK
OF DIVERSE HUES; WHEREIN IS HEALING FOR MANKIND. LO! HEREIN IS INDEED
A PORTEN FOR PEOPLE WHO REFLECT."
We see here that the Author is quite serious when he tells us "LO!
HEREIN IS INDEED A PORTEN FOR PEOPLE WHO REFLECT." So, the immediate
question one would ask would be: "What's so special about these little
Bees and the Honey they produce? And what's so special about their
dwellings and the way which they follow?"
There are a dozen or more dessert creatures that an Ancient text could
refer to for the matter, the most apparent of them being "The ship of
the desert" or the camel. The majesty and elegance of the camel is
quite observable and no one would have objected had the Quran gone on
to praise it, in fact it does mention camels in a number of verses.
But, the bees take the lead when the Quran chooses to name its 16th
Chapter as AN-Nahal or THE BEE. This means that for the Author of the
Quran the Bee was far more important than many other creatures, even
the Camel! Who could have guessed that 1400 years ago?
1. FACTS ABOUT BEE-INTELLIGENCE
If we analyse, there is Much more to Bees and their Honey than what
appears to us.
This is what Mr. Nick Cole has to say in "Bees know Best" 14th June 1987:
"…On the basis of instinct Bees possess extra ordinary intelligence-
much more than its size suggests. This is confirmed by Science. Recent
studies reveal that bees possess the most efficient warning mechanisms
than any other creature. Eg: When the Nuclear reactor exploded at
Chernobyl, Russia last spring, bees far away in Poland sensed danger
of Radioactive contamination long before we did. Despite being sunny
and warm, bees interrupted their flight and returned to their hives.
The reason was apparent only when the news of the Russian disaster
became known. For days together the bees remained within their hives
and surrounded their Queen closely and kept beating their wings which
reduced the penetration of contamination. Russian research in recent
years has proved that BEES POSESS FAR GREATER INTELLIGENCE THAN THEIR
SIZE SUGGESTS!"- Reported from Poland by Henry Ostarch, Head of the
Bee keeping association.

                              The Quran aptly says 1400 years
ago:                                            "And Your Lord inspired the Bee… Herein are signs for
men who reflect!"
Certainly, the Bees must have been taught by one mighty in power!                                   
2. FACTS ABOUT BEE HIVES
Now, since the verse 68 talks about their INSPIRATIONAL HABITATIONS,
"AND THY LORD INSPIRED THE BEE SAYING: 'CHOOSE THOU HABITATIONS IN
HILLS AND TREES AND IN WHICH THEY BREED…"
Let's see what's inspirational about the BEE HIVES:  Bees as a rule
construct their hives in six dimensional form i.e. Hexagonal, with the
opposite sides equal in such a way that no compartment is left smaller
than the others and no space is left unutilized. This is quite
remarkable because if their hives would be circular, triangular or
square shaped, a lot of space would be wasted and cracks and fissures
would appear.
So, the Hives that Bees build are just PERFECT, any deviation from
this traditional design would mean a complete collapse. Certainly
these little creatures must have been trained by a master architect!
3. FACTS ABOUT FOOD GATHERING AND COMMUNICATION IN BEES
Verse 68 says AND THY LORD INSPIRED THE BEE SAYING… EAT OF ALL FRUITS
(you wish to eat) BY FOLLOWING THE WAY FROM THY LORD MADE SMOOTH.'
It is a fact that Bees live in colonies under a Queen and they have
been assigned their Jobs according to their ranks as Worker Bees, The
Guards, The Food gatherers, The Nurses, The Builders and even Spies!
The bees generally survive on the Food gathered in the form of nectar
from flowers and plant juices. This job is generally assigned to the
Gatherers who go from flower to flower to collect nectar. This is not
an easy job. In fact it is quite a tedious job. The bees have to fly
long distances to find nectariferous flowers and have to collect
juices from thousands of flowers. This takes hours together and even
whole days. This appears to be quite a difficult task considering that
Bees not only need to remember the Place where nectar is available but
they also need to communicate this information to other Bees. This
calls for some special type of Adaptations which would enable them to
communicate and would Guide them to the sources of nectar.
And Researches have made us conclude that they do indeed have a
remarkable in-built mechanism which Guides them and enables them to
communicate.
It has been found that after finding a place where nectar is in
abundance the bee returns to tell the others about the place BY
DANCING! These BEE DANCES Consist of movements of the Belly, the
Antenae and movements in patterns which describe the number 8 or parts
of the number 8.            
                    In this manner the bees are not only able to communicate the
direction of the nectar but also the distance from the hive!                                    
                                                        As far as the
WAY which guides them to their source is concerned, they normally get
their bearing in relation to the sun. What about cloudy days? Well, on
cloudy days, their specially adapted eyes allow them to follow
patterns of Plane Polarized Light.                           
                                                            We also know that Bees
also follow the shortest possible path which we know as the BEE LINE.
Hence we can clearly see that there are a number of factors which
contribute to their remarkable ability of food gathering and
communication. And without these this would certainly be an impossible
task.
It appears as the Quran rightly says that there Must be someone who
has inspired the bees with wisdom and has made them "FOLLOW THE WAY
MADE SMOOTH."
4. FACTS ABOUT HONEY
Verse 68 reads: "THERE COMES FORTH FROM THEIR BELLIES A DRINK OF
DIVERSE HUES; WHEREIN IS HEALING FOR MANKIND."
Not only at the time of Prophet Muhammad pbuh but also a lot later the
miraculous benefits of honey were not known. In fact even after the
Discovery of Small pox vaccine by Edward Jenner, scientists had begun
to suspect that like milk, honey too could be a carrier of diseases!
However their fears were absolutely baseless and today it has been
well established that Honey is very Beneficial. It is important for
Good health, helps to cure mild cough, helps fight the Winter Chill,
helps reduce Obesity when taken with warm lime juice and helps fight a
number of diseases. In fact even today Hepatitis is combated with the
same old Hipocratian remedy of WATER & HONEY! Apart from this, honey
is also used as a mild antiseptic. In fact before the use of chemicals
wounded soldiers would be treated with honey. HONEY has dozens of
Benefits and as the Qur'an says "therein is healing for mankind"!
Certainly, what remarkable creatures Bees are! And we have been able
to understand their intelligence only recently that to trough
experimentation and modern techniques which have been recently
developed and certainly these findings were not observable in the
Desert 1400 years ago.
How remarkable is it then that the Quran sums up these facts about
these inspirational creatures, their inspirational dwellings, their
way of food gathering and their remarkable honey in just one verse
1400 years ago:
"AND THY LORD INSPIRED THE BEE SAYING: 'CHOOSE THOU HABITATIONS IN
HILLS AND TREES AND IN WHICH THEY BREED. THEN EAT OF ALL FRUITS (you
wish to eat) BY FOLLOWING THE WAY FROM THY LORD MADE SMOOTH.'               
                                                        THERE COMES
FORTH FROM THEIR BELLIES A DRINK OF DIVERSE HUES; WHEREIN IS HEALING
FOR MANKIND. LO! HEREIN IS INDEED A PORTEN FOR PEOPLE WHO REFLECT."
  AND INDEED HEREIN IS A GREAT PORTEN OF HIS MAGESTIC CREATION FOR
PEOPLE WITH UNDERSTANDING!
A person who still denies there to be anything amazing to verse 68, is
certainly close minded!                                                                        There
are at least 1OOO out of the 6OOO verses of the Quran which speak
about Science i.e. Science makes up 1/6th of the Qur'an.                    
                            The connection between the Qur'an and
Modern Science is that while Qur'an in the First place proved to be
the inspiration for people who read it with reasoning and it lead them
to make astounding discoveries by calling them towards reasoning and
by pointing out  to them hidden secrets behind Natural Phenomenon and
the Nature around them and telling them LO! IN HERE ARE SIGHNS FOR MEN
WHO REFLECT.
And what Modern Science does in turn is that it helps us understand
the Statements of the Qur'an and to Appreciate its Infallibility. For
me SCIENCE is simply Our approach to understand nature and come closer
to the TRUTH of the Marvelous and Flawless Creation of God with the
Little Feeble Minds that we have.
BELOW GIVEN ARE ARTICLES ON THE ESTABLISHED SCIENTIFIC CORRECTNESS OF
THE QURAN AND ISLAM:

SCIENTIFIC MIRACLES IN QUR'AN –( www.islamtomorrow.com)
      MIRACLES ON CREATION OF UNIVERSE  MIRACLES ON CLOUDS MIRACLES
ON MOUNTAINS      MIRACLES ON SEAS AND RIVERS       
                                          MIRACLES ON HUMAN EMBROYNIC
DEVELOPMENT    MIRACLES ON DEEP SEA INTERNAL WAVES    MIRACLES ON
CEREBRUM


And yes just to mention that the first time that i came across
anything about the Bees in the Quran it was when i read Garry Miller's
"The Quran is Amazing"(www.islam101.com)  which I have already shared
with Merle. This Mr. Miller was a leading mathematician of his time.
He lived to expound on the Scientific correctness of the Quran and
proved that it was flawless. He was grown in an orthodox Christian
household and grew up to be a leading Missionary. But as he read
deeper into the Bible he accepted that there were obvious
contradictions in it and gave up Christianity. At this time he came to
know how Muslims considered their Book, the Quran to be FROM GOD,
ABSOLUTELY FLAWLESS. And as he himself says "At first i expected that
like the Bible the Quran too would have Both Truth and falsehood, both
good and evil mixed together but what I found was THE TRUTH".  I was
amazed to read this because the words at the beginning  are quite
similar to what Merle had said long ago:    "If you would have said
that the Quran has elements of both evil and good that would be
alright but no your claims go much deeper…"
The Beginning of the quest of both these people is the same & I can
only Pray that the conclusion is too. AMEN
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3.    Merle says "What about the obvious scientific flaws in the Quran,
such as the verse that says the sun sets in a muddy spring, or that
creation lasted six days? I don't see Iesha's response to those
verses. No doubt she will tell us that these are just expressions, and
that they do not really mean what they literally say."
Mr. Merle earlier accused me of inventing lies against him But here
Merle has INVENTED A VERY BIG LIE AGAINST ME! How can you say WITHOUT
DOUBT that I will tell you that "these are just expressions and that
they do not mean what they literally say"? You can not deny having
spoken these words can you?
It's just AWFUL how a person can make such a strong supposition and
say "NO DOUBT She will tell us…"!
Do you suppose yourself to be super human or some thing? Only a very
stubborn and close minded person will use expressions like that
without actually knowing having any concrete proof for such claims.
And NO, I WON'T say "that these verses don't actually mean what they
literally say".
                                And  There; That proves you to be a
liar.                                                        Seems like Merle is "caught up in
his own net".
                                          When I had told about you
what you did not literally say, I had deduced it from your way of
writing. Well maybe my inference was wrong and I might have not
clearly understood what you wanted to say and that angered you.
But here you are actually presuming something without any basis. YOU
BETTER NOT PRESUME AND IMAGINE WHAT I AM NOT ACTUALLY SAYING.
[A]. NOW, firstly about "creation lasting six days":
This refers to the Verse 59 of Chapter 25 whose English translation
reads:
              "He Who created the Heaven and the Earth and all that is
between them in SIX DAYS…"
And Could you please define a DAY.                                
                  The CONCISE OXFORD DICTIONRY offers the following
definitions of DAY:
1. Interval of light between two nights.
2. Time During which work is generally done; consisting of 8 hours.
3. Time for one rotation of the Earth or a period of 24 hrs as unit of time.
4. Date agreed upon.
5. Period of time Eg: In the DAYS of Queen Victoria, in the DAYS of
old, in DAYS to come, Men of other DAYS etc.
So, we see that even in the English language, DAY does not necessarily
mean a 24 hour day. In certain context it could mean an 8-hr day or
could well mean a period. "In days to come" doesn't necessarily mean
24 hr days infact the time is uncertain.
So according to the dictionary even, there is no hard and fast rule to
say what actually DAY means. Generally the word DAY would mean a
certain period of time and its actual value would be defined by the
context.
This is what we can infer from the Dictionary AND I HOPE THAT MERLE
DOES NOT CONSIDER HIMSELF ABOVE THE DICTIONARIES!
Now lets have a closer look at Verse "He Who created the Heaven and
the Earth and all that is between them in SIX DAYS…"
The Arabic word used in the verse is AYAAM, which is the plural of
YAWM. The word YAWM doesn't necessarily mean a 24 hr Day. YAWM simply
means a PERIOD or EPOCH.                                                    So
the AYAAM here are not 24hr Days but are 6 PERIODS OR 6 EPOCHS OF
TIME.                           And I don't think that Science has a problem
with that. We should remember that the duration of each period has not
been specified. It could be equal to a second, a day, a year or a
Million years. Its not specified and so this is certainly not an
OBVIOUS FLAW in the Qur'an, rather it is a deficiency in the
translation.
The correct translation would be                                 
                "He Who created the Heaven and the Earth and all that
is between them in SIX PERIODS…"
And so VERSE 59 DOES mean what it literally says but the thing is that
the word Ayaam has a number of interpretations. You can see for
yourself that AYAAM is used often in Arabic Literature for PERIODS OF
TIME not just 24 hr days.
Also refer to Surah Al Hajj
"The durations of one day before your lord is equal to your 1ooo years".
In Surah Al Sajdah Verse 5 it says:
"He directs ordinance from the Heaven into Earth and then it ascends
unto him in a day (period) which you refer as your 1ooo Years".
In yet another place it says that ONE DAY is equal to so & so years of ours.
This shows that even in the Qur'an the word AYAAM does not mean a 24 hr day.
HENCE IT IS CLEAR THAT BECAUSE THE WORD AYAAM COULD HAVE A NUMBER OF
MEANINGS; THEREFORE THE CREATION OF HEAVENS AND EARTH IN SIX AYAAM IS
NOT AN OBVIOUS FLAW IN THE QUR'AN.
[B]. Now, coming to THE SUN SETTING IN A MUDDY SPRING:
Obviously the reference is to Verse 86 of Chapter number 18. where Mr.
Merle allegesthat the Qur'an believes the sun to set in a Muddy
spring.
Now first let's see the correct English translation of verses 83, 84,
85,86,89,90 of ch 18.
Verse. 83 They ask thee of Zulqarnain. Say: I shall recite unto thee a
remembrance of him.                            Verse. 84 Lo! We made
him stronger in the land and gave him unto all things a way.
                            Verse. 85 And he followed a way (or road)

                                                Verse. 86 Until he
reached the place where the sun was setting which APPEARED TO HIM to
set in a muddy spring where appeared a nation thereabout……        

    Verse. 89 Then he followed a way (or road)                                     
                                      Verse. 90 Until he reached the
place where the sun was rising; which APPEARED TO HIM rising on a
nation whom we had appointed no cover there from.
Lets analyse Verse 86. It says: Until he reached the place where the
sun was setting; which APPEARED TO HIM to set in a muddy spring.
It has to be noted that this verse originally DOES NOT USE the phrase
SETTING PLACE OF THE SUN, although in many translations translators
have used this phrase.
Itwe analyse the first part of the sentence it clearly says "HATA IZA
BALAGA MAGRIB-ASH-SHAMS".
I f we were to try and understand the first half of the verse word by word:
HATA IZA could be understood as TILL HE REACHED
BALAGA means PLACE
MAGRIB-ASH-SHAMS meaning SUN-SET
[Where MAGRIB means WEST or SET and SHAMS means SUN.]
It as to be noted that here the phrase MAGRIB-ASH-SHAMS has been used;
which is translated as SUN-SET in English . Just like the order
SUN-SET is fixed and can not be converted to SET-SUN similarly in
Arabic when the words MAGRIB and SHAMS occur in the form of
MAGRIB-ASH-SHAMS they loose their individual meanings and mean SUN-SET
or SETTING OF THE SUN. It should be noted that as in the case of
SUN-SET in English; this MAGRIB-ASH-SHAMS usually denotes a TIME and
an ACTION VERB rather than a PLACE.

Now with these few English words if we were to construct a sentence it
would look like this                                    "Till he
reached place sunset" and this is the first half of the sentence.
Now to make sense out of the translation and without INVENTING our own
words the translation could be rewritten as :                                                
                                          "Till he reached the place
AT sun-set"  where sun-set denotes a TIME of the day and so the
sentence would convey that He reached his destination at the time of
sun set.                                                            And I believe
no one has a problem with that; even I have many a time reached my
destination at sunset.
Or it could mean:                                           
"Till he reached the place WHERE the sun sets" where sun set would be
a verb and the sentence would be denoting a direction or place and
hence meaning that he reached the destination; which is the place
where the sun sets. Now, if we were to even ask a child WHERE DOES THE
SUN SET? The answer would be IN THE WEST.
So we have to understand that the first half of the verse means to
convey either of the following:
      that he (Zulqarnain) reached the destination at the time of the
sunset or that he reached the place where the sun sets i.e. the
direction WEST. So, there is no hard and fast rule as to which of the
two should be understood to be correct.
Now coming to the second half of the verse it says: "WAJADAHA TAGRUBU
FI AININ HAMEEATIN WA WAJADA INDAHA QAWMA."
Now to understand the sentence word by word:
1. WAJADAHA means IT APPEARED TO HIM (WAJADA in Arabic means TO APPEAR
and the HA suffix is masculine.)
2. TAGRUBU means TO SET or SET
3. FI means IN
4. AIN means spring
5. HAMEEAH means MUDDY
6. WA means AND
7. WAJADA means TO APPEAR or  APPEARED
8. INDAHA means THEREABOUT
9. QAWM means NATION
Now it we were to construct a sentence out of these words it would
look like this:
"It (the sun) APPEARED TO HIM to set in spring muddy and appeared
thereabout Nation."
Now to rearrange the words to make out some sense in English we get:
"It appeared to him to set in a muddy spring and appeared thereabout a nation."
Now, this sentence NOWHERE says that the Sun sets in a muddy spring.
It says that IT APPEARED TO ZULQARNAIN to be setting in a Muddy
spring. And if we pay heed we see that when the Qur'an says about the
Sun setting in a muddy spring it uses the word WAJADAHA which means IT
APPEARED TO HIM however, when it says about the nation thereabout, it
uses WAJADA which means IT APPEARED. So, while the Author of the
Qur'an agrees that there DID APPEAR a nation; it says that the Sun
APPEARED TO ZILQARNAIN to be setting in a muddy spring.
And I believe that the phenomenon is quite noticeable. The place where
I live is the Land of Lakes and Rivers and I can recollect the number
of times the SUN HAS APPEARED TO ME to be setting in the majestic Dal
lake. And I have even enjoyed seeing it rise from behind mountains and
so must you have. Does that mean that i or We believe that the Sun
sets in a Lake and rises from behind mountains?
We have to understand that this is just an imagery. Just like the Sun
does no actually set or rise but our literature is over flooded with
beautiful depictions of SUN SETS and SUN RISE. Similarly this is a
part of the Vast imagery of the Qur'an which includes natural objects
like the Sun and the Moon, the Desert and the Sea etc.
Now if we were to put the meanings of both the parts of the verse
together, there would be no room for doubt. It clearly reads:
"Until he reached the place WHERE the sun sets; which APPEARED TO HIM
to set in a muddy spring…"
OR
""Until he reached the place WHEN the sun was setting; which APPEARED
TO HIM to set in a muddy spring…"
Here the phrase "when or where the sun was setting" are in past tense
because the word TAGRUBU in Arabic according to Rules would be in past
tense and would hence mean "was setting".
In both the cases it is clear that the Qur'an is not only referring to
a place or a point where the sun Habitually sets or rises from i.e.
East or West; instead it also means that Zilqarnain reached a place
where the sun appeared to him to be setting in a muddy spring.
In fact the fact that the Qur'an does understand the Sun DOES NOT
ACTUALLY set or rise is quite evident from the Verse. 90: "Until he
reached the place where the sun was rising; which APPEARED TO HIM
rising on a nation whom we had appointed no cover there from."
If the Qur'an believed that the Sun sets in a muddy spring then would
it not say in veres 90 that Zulqarnain reached a place where It rose
from the Muddy spring?
                                This is quite natural; if i believe i
saw you entering a door I would expect you to come out from the same
door. If the author of the Qur'an believed what you alleged he
believed; then whatever was at the back of his mind would express
itself. However we see that the Qur'an maintains utmost caution and is
INDEED the handiwork of a MASTER CRAFTSMAN.
We see that the Qur'an is quite careful while framing its sentences
and Humans I believe are not so efficient so as to avoid any mistakes.
However the Author of the Qur'an does not make the obvious mistakes
that a human would make. Only one who is SUPER HUMAN could have been
so accurate and flawless and this indicates the colossal wisdom and
correctness of understanding of the author of the Qur'an and I believe
this can not attributed to anyone but the CREATOR of all that Exists
because only HE can know so much about his creation and only HE could
have made such statements 14oo years ago!
  In both the verses while referring to the sun's setting or rising it
confirms that IT ONLY APPERARED TO ZULQARNAIN TO BE SETTING OR RISING.
In fact in a Verse in the Chapter of "THE MERCIFUL" or AL- REHMAN it
says about Plurality of Easts and Wests proving that it understands
that the Sun does not rise or set at any particular fixed point.
" Rabul MASHRIQAYN wa Rabul MAGRIBAYN"
                                                              i.e.
"The Lord of the EASTS and the Lord of the WESTS"
The words used are: MASHRIQAYN which is plural of MASHRIQ (East) and
MAGRIBAYN which is plural of MAGRIB (West).
These and many other verses of the Qur'an prove that its author
understood the fact the Sun only APPEARED to be setting or rising and
that there are many Easts and many Wests i.e. that there are a number
of points from where the sun appears to be rising or setting which is
quite true because with the changing pattern of the seasons these
points of rise and set of the sun keep on changing.
Now, even if a person still wants to believe that the Qur'an is
talking about a legend and that Zulqarnain is a fictional character
and that this legend means that he actually traveled to a place in the
Ancient sky where he could see the sun set in a muddy spring and that
he met some alien nation there; THEN there remains only one way to
verify whether the Qur'an is right or wrong whether Zulqarnain is a
legendary figure or whether he is actually a great conqueror whom we
might know by a different name and the WAY to do find out is that we
look for any CLUE or EVIDENCE of his existence from the Qur'an and
then try to MATCH it with the facts about any such HISTORICAL FIGURE.
For that we'll have to have a look at all the sentences in the Qur'an
about this man which the Qur'an refers to as Zulqarnain:
Chapter no: 18 Verses 83-98 read:
Verse. 83 They ask thee of Zulqarnain. Say: I shall recite unto thee a
remembrance of him.
Verse. 84 Lo! We made him stronger in the land and gave him unto all
things a way.
Verse. 85 And he followed a way (or road)
Verse. 86 Until he reached the place where the sun sets (west) or when
the sun was setting which APPEARED TO HIM to set in a muddy spring
where appeared a nation thereabout. We said: O Zulqarnain! Either
punish them or show them kindness.
Verse 87. He said : As for he who does wrong, we shall punish him and
then he shall be brought forth before his Lord who shall punish him
with an awful punishment.
Verse 88. And as for him who believes and does right, good will be his
reward and we shall speak unto him a mild command.
Verse. 89 Then again he followed a way (or road)
Verse. 90 Until he reached the place where the sun rises (East) or
when the sun was rising; which APPEARED TO HIM rising on a nation whom
We had appointed no cover there from.
Verse.     91. So was it. And We knew all concerning him.
Verse.     92. Then again he followed a way.
Verse.     93. Till when he came between the two mountains, there
appeared upon their hither side a people who could narrowly understand
a saying.
Verse.     94.They said O Zulqarnain! Lo! Gog and Magog are sowing
discontent in the land. So may we pay thee tribute on the condition
that you put a barrier between them and us?
Verse.     95. He said: That wherewith my Lord has honoured me is better
for me (than your tribute). Do but help me wit strength of men and I
will set between you and them a bank.
Verse.     96. Give me pieces of Iron-Till (he said). When he had leveled
up the gap, he said: Blow!---till when a fire was produced and he
said: Bring me molten copper to pour thereon.
Verse.     97. And it could not be surmounted nor could it be pierced.
Verse.     98. He said: This (wall) is a mercy from my Lord; but when the
promise of my Lord comes to pass He shall lay it low, for the promise
of my Lord is true.
This is what the Qur'an has to say about a man called
Zulqarnain.                                                        If we look at the
very first verse i.e. 83 it says: "THEY ask thee of Zulqarnain…"
                                                The question which
comes to mind is who are THEY?
Historians and Scholars of the Qur'an unanimously agree that a strong
Hadeeth of the Muslim world asserts that the story of the "Sleepers of
the Cave" (V. 10-27), that of "Moses and Khidr" (V. 60-82) and that of
"Zulqarnain" (V. 83-98) in the Chapter "The Cave" were revealed to the
Prophet Muhammad pbuh TO ENABLE HIM TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS POSED BY
THE JEWISH DOCTORS OF MEDINA through the pagans as a test for
PROPHETHOOD.
                                  The Questions were three: "Ask him"
said the Rabbis "of some youth who were of old, WHAT WAS THEIR FATE,
for they have a strange story; and ask him of the man much traveled
who reached the far east and far west; the sunset and sunrise regions
of the earth; WHAT WAS HIS HISTORY; and ask him of the SPIRIT; WHAT IT
IS." While the third question is answered in Chapter. 17 V. 85
onwards, the other two are answered in the Chapter 18 of THE CAVE.
So, from the Qur'an and its commentary these points are clear about Zulqarnain.
1. The question of much traveled THE TWO HORNED ONE (Zulqarnain) was
asked by JEWISH DOCTORS. Hence this man must have something to do with
the History of the Jewish nation. And since they speak of him with
respect, he should have treated them well.
2. God gave him power and gave him ways to travel wide and to conquer lands.
3. There were three important journeys he undertook: on the first
occasion he traveled Westward to a place where there was water in
which the sun appeared to set; on the second occasion he traveled East
where he found a nation "who had been appointed no cover what so ever"
This implies to their NOMADIC way of life. And on the third occasion
he traveled to a place between two mountains where he found a people
who could hardly understand a saying. This could mean that they spoke
through sign language or some other mode of communication hence
implying that they were some TRIBAL community.
4. Further we find that he deals justly with people; punishing the
guilty and honouring the innocent.
5. In the third conquest he is requested by the people to save them
from the Gog and Magog who seem to be some type people who were
mischief mongers; indicating the great trust they had on him and since
they address him as "Zulqarnain" it shows that he was quite famous and
powerful.
6. In order to save the people he builds a WALL of Iron bars and
Molten copper which separates the two groups of people and this WALL
OF ZULQARNAIN is strong, unsurpassable and can not be pierced.
Now, out of all these points the first five give information about the
nature and conquests of Zulqarnain but IT IS THE SIXTH POINT WHICH
WILL DETERMINE THE CORRECTNES OF THE QUR'AN.
The sixth point mentions that Zulqarnain BUILD A METALLIC WALL; and IF
THE QUR'AN WAS TALKING ABOUT A MAN ACTUALLY TRAVELLING TO A PLACE IN
THE SKY WHERE THE SUN SETS IN A SPRING; THEN this wall should be
somewhere in thy SKY, RIGHT? Or It should be Non-existent, RIGHT?


BUT TO YOUR UTTER SURPRISE, THIS WALL EXISTS!
Firstly about the WALL…  "Before the Quranic revelation, the Arabs had
never heard of such a wall, but because the Qur'an described it, they
were able to discover it. In concurrence with the advice given in the
Qur'an to research information (even if it is new), when 'Umar was
caliph, he chose a group of men and sent them to find the wall of
Dhul-Qarnayn.. As a matter of fact, it is located in what is called
Durbend a part of what was one called the Soviet Union."                        
                        (FROM: The Qur'an is amazing by Garry Miller
later Abdul Ahad Omar)

                COULD MR MERLE TELL US AS TO WHO TOLD Prophet Muhammad
pbuh ABOUT THE WALL OF ZULQARNAIN WHICH WAS HUNDREDS OF MILES TO THE
NORTH?
The fact that this WALL is down here on the Earth and not at an
imaginary point in the sky is PROOF that the Qur'an was NOT mistaken
in verses 86 and 90 as Merle had Previously ALLEGED.
A person who would like to read further about this wall can visit: AMA
scholarship blog: WALL OF GOG AND MAGOG  in fact a picture of the
REMAINS of the Historic Iron wall can also be seen there. According to
what the Qur'an describes it to be; the IRON WALL at the DARIEL PASS
in Derbend in the Caucasus region which was earlier in the USSR seems
to most closely fit the description of THE WALL OF ZULQARNAIN. Today
however only a tall and narrow iron structure is visible which stands
at the top of a hilly region. The photo clearly shows that over the
years sedimentation has occurred and covered most of the base of the
wall. This is quite natural because if Zulqarnain had built the wall
it has been thousands of years since then and owing to the corrosion
of the metals and sedimentation most of it has been concealed. In fact
recently there have been speculations that the bottom of the very hill
on which THE WALL stands could have a lake beneath as is a very common
phenomenon in nature. I t remains for remote sensing and archeological
surveys to tell us what lies hidden beneath the WALL and RADIOACTIVE
DATING could tell us precisely when it was built. The problem it seems
lies with the Tourism authority of Derbend who are not encouraging
such efforts. We can only wait patiently and hope that scientists
unravel the mystery behind the WALL.
Now, as far as the personality of ZULQARNAIN is concerned; he could be
any one of the Great conquerors before Islam, i.e. Alexander, Cyrus
etc.  However, in my opinion in light of historical evidence there is
a greater likelihood that Cyrus the Persian king was the person
mentioned as Zulqarnain in the Qur'an. However, it should always be
kept in mind that Qur'an has not specifically mentioned any name, so
we should also avoid saying that our opinion is final and the
personality we found out to be Zulqarnain is exactly the one which
Qur'an calls Zulqarnain. We should always talk about it in terms of
our own understanding and knowledge, as the door for further research
is always open.
And I don't speak without proof, so I will share with you as to how I
reached this very conclusion. The first time I read about Zulqarnain
and Cyrus was in a newspaper article. I was at first shocked. Then to
find out the truth I decided to search the internet. I found different
views with regards to who was Zulqarnain, some thought it was
Alexander while others concluded it was Cyrus while still others
thought it was none of the above; each group trying desperately to
convince us that they were right.
So, I decided to find out for myself. I set out to collect necessary
information about conqueror Cyrus. And all the CONFIRMED info. I was
able to gather from different sources is given below:
1. CYRUS'S RELEVANCE TO THE JEWISH NATION:
                                                                He
lived up to that reputation, freeing more than 40,000 enslaved Jews
and allowing them to return to Palestine. He is mentioned 22 times in
the Bible for these and similar deeds.
                                                Taken From: CYRUS
BECAME THE GREATEST CONQUERER OF HIS TIMES Read whole article at
http://www.farsinet.com/cyrus/cyrus_just_ruler.html
God Calls King Cyrus by Name before he is born:
This is what the LORD says to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand
I take hold of to subdue nations before him and to strip kings of
their armor, to open doors before him so that gates will not be shut:
I will go before you and will level the mountains; I will break down
gates of bronze and cut through bars of iron. I will give you the
treasures of darkness, riches stored in secret places, so that you may
know that I am the LORD, the God of Israel, who summons you by name.
For the sake of Jacob my servant, of Israel my chosen, I summon you by
name and bestow on you a title of honor, though you do not acknowledge
me. I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no
God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me, so
that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting men may
know there is none besides me. I am the LORD, and there is no other. I
form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create
disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things. "You heavens above, rain
down righteousness; let the clouds shower it down. Let the earth open
wide, let salvation spring up, let righteousness grow with it; I, the
LORD, have created it. Isaiah 45:1-8 (written by a Christian)

Also read CYRUS THE GREAT IN PERSIAN HISTORY: CYRUS THE GREAT IN PERSIAN ISTORY
2.CYRUS'S GREATEST EXPEDITIONS: Cyrus the Great, though he did not
find the First Persian Empire, did conduct four expeditions which made
it the sole power in the Middle East and Anatolia. His empire would
last for the next 200 years until the coming of Alexander the Great.
The four campaigns were:
1.    Conquering Media: With the help of Harpagus, Cyrus invaded Media
then ruled by Astyages.
2.    Conquering Lydia: Cyrus conquers Sardis, the capital of the Lydian
Empire (under the rule of Croesus). After the Lydian Empire fell,
Croesus became an adviser to Cyrus.
3.    Conquering Assyrians: Cyrus conquered Babylon, the capital of the
Assyrian Empire. He entered the city by draining the Euphrates River.
4.    Attempt of Conquering the Massegatai: Cyrus attempted to conquer
Queen Tomyris of the Massegatai (a Scythian Tribe), but was tragically
killed by a volley of arrows
HOWEVER, since during the third Attempt to conquer Massegatai he was
Murdered, so it can not be considered as one of his Great conquest,
because the efforts went in vain. Hence, actually there were THREE
GREAT CAMPAIGNS which Cyrus carried out.
Cyrus's western expedition was the one, in which he conquered Lydia
and the Lonian city-states on the western coast of Asia Minor. It is
in all probability this expedition which the Qur'an mentions as the
one in which he reached a place where the sun sets and it appeared to
him to be setting in water  perhaps referring to an experience he
might have had while standing at the shore of Mediterranean in western
Asia Minor (modern Turkey).
Next, Cyrus turned his attention towards the barbaric nomadic tribes
of the eastern part of the Iranian plateau. It is probably this
expedition which the Qur'an mentions as the one in which he conquered
a people who had no cover for the rising sun, metaphorically
explaining their nomadic life style and the eastern direction of the
conquest.
Lastly, the Qur'an talks about his third expedition where he reaches a
region in between two mountains and hence depicting the hilly
topography. This is probably when Cyrus went to the northeastern part
of his empire (Caucasus mountain range between the Black Sea and the
Caspian sea) and built barriers to protect its people against the
incursion of nomadic tribes who lived on the other side of the
Caucasus range, and the invaders are referred to as Gog and Magog in
the Qur'an.
3. CYRUS'S BELIEFS: He became the king of this vast empire stretching
from Lydia (west) to India (east) and Bactria (north) to Babylon
(south). Secondly history has explicitly recorded incidents of Cyrus's
extreme kindness and justice towards his subjects. In fact, these
traits of his personality were so conspicuous that friend and foe
equally acknowledged this fact. As regards Cyrus's religion, he was a
believer in Zoroastrianism, a new religion at that time, which existed
with all its purity and spirit. The prophet Zoroaster who was probably
contemporary to Cyrus preached belief in one God, the hereafter and
all other basic good deeds that form a part of Divine religions. This
answers our first question, showing that Cyrus comes very close to the
narrative of the Qur'an.
4. CYRUR'S SENSE OF JUSTICE:  Here are excerpts from CYRUS BECAME THE
GREATEST CONQUERER OF HIS TIMES By  Matthew Benjamin Thursday, July
16, 1998 Investor's Business Daily; Leaders & Success Column
When the conqueror Cyrus the Great rode into Babylon, the city's
vanquished erupted in cheers.                  Yes, they'd have to
bend to his rule. But Cyrus (580-530? B.C.) made sure that wouldn't be
difficult. In contrast to other rulers of his day, he was just. In
fact, his style of government was a critical factor in his becoming
the greatest ruler of his time.                                             Cyrus' Persian
Empire, which extended from India to the Mediterranean Sea, was the
most powerful state in the world until its conquest two centuries
later by Alexander the Great.
  Cyrus appointed a Mede as chief adviser and then ruled the kingdom
in a kind of dual monarchy, with both Medes and Persians holding high
offices. The satrapy, as this system of government became known, put a
native Mede in power as a semiautonomous ruler, or satrap.            
"Nevertheless, the close relationship between Persians and Medes was
never forgotten. Medes were honored equally with Persians; they were
employed in high office and were chosen to lead Persian armies," wrote
A.T. Olmstead in his "History of the Persian Empire."    

He converted most into satrapies and put natives in command.

He also showed great respect for conquered peoples' religious and
cultural beliefs. At that time, every tribe or kingdom had its own
gods and rites.                                                                   While
it was customary for conquerors to deface the idols and religious
statues of those they defeated, Cyrus forbade that practice. When it
did occur, he quickly remedied it.
                    "Large numbers of foreign captive divinities gave
further opportunity for royal benevolence," Olmstead wrote. That
earned him the respect and homage of the races over whom he ruled.            
                                                    Cyrus always took   pains to convey that
he was not a foreign king and conqueror, but a liberator and,
therefore, a legitimate holder of the crown.                        
                            For example, after conquering Babylon, he
immediately addressed its citizens in their own language and added
"King of Babylon" to the top of his long list of titles. It was an
unheard of gesture of respect.

          "In the eyes of his Babylonian subjects, Cyrus was never an
alien king," Olmstead wrote. "The proclamation of Cyrus to the
Babylonians, issued in their own language, was a model of persuasive
propaganda."                                    
      He also left in place most of the existing government and
allowed most midlevel officials to retain their positions.                                        
                                    Cyrus was a great learner. He
observed the customs and traditions of the cultures he conquered and
made sure the best elements were put to use for all of Persia's
benefit.
      Cyrus invented, or appropriated and improved upon, the idea of
the postal system, according to the Greek historian Xenophon. Figuring
out how far a horse could travel in one day, Cyrus built a series of
posting stations, each one day's ride apart, across his empire. The
system ensured the efficient flow of information between him and his
satraps.
His Tomb Reads: "O, man, whoever thou art and when so ever thou
comest, for I know that thou wilt come, I am Cyrus, and I won for the
Persians their empire. Do not, therefore, begrudge me this little
earth which covers my body. "

Also read CYRUS'S CHARTER OF HUMAN RIGHTS
As far as Alexander is concerned, He DOES NOT fulfill the requirements
of the description of Zulqarnain. The extent of Alexander's
expeditions was towards the east and south, whereas Qur'an mentions
Zulqarnain's expeditions towards west, east and a third direction.
Secondly when Qur'an talks about Zulqarnain, it shows him as a person
believing in one God and the hereafter. He is also depicted as a
kindhearted and just ruler. Now it is known about Alexander that he
was a polytheist and no incidents of his kindness and justice are
explicitly recorded in history. But as far as Cyrus is concerned we
find out that the extent of his expeditions was towards west, east and
north that is, after becoming the king of Persia, Cyrus went on
different expeditions, ultimately conquering almost eighty percent of
the civilized world at that time.
So, regarding the identity of Zulqarnain, if we get together the facts
about History we will find out that the Information about Zulqarnain
fits Cyrus LIKE A GLOVE. So, it could be quite possible that
Zulqarnain is Cyrus. But, Allah knows best.
For further information read WHO WAS ZULQARNAIN?
NOW, FROM ALL THE INFO AS SITED ABOVE IT IS CLEAR THAT NOT ONLY WAS
ZULQARNAIN A TRUE HISTORIC FIGURE BUT THE WALL WHICH THE QUR'AN REFERS
TO IS STILL IN EXISTANCE.
4.    Merle says "The Greek scientist, Epicurus, had astounding insight
into modern science, writing in 300 BC with astonishing accuracy about
atoms and molecules, the rain cycle, causes and nature of lightning,
causes of earthquakes, and the existence of other planetary systems.
Many of his statements may have been lucky guesses. He also got some
things very wrong. But his guesses are amazingly accurate, for he had
a wealth of accumulated science on which to base his conclusions.
Using the accumulated observations and reasons of the Greeks, he
painted a picture of the universe that is far more specific and
accurate than anything found in supposed books of divine revelation.
Now, Merle here seems to be making just too many contradictory
statements! First he goes on to say… "Epicurus had astounding insight
into modern science …" and  "writing in 300 BC with astonishing
accuracy" But suddenly our friend changes his mind and jumps to the
conclusion that "Many of his statements may have been lucky guesses"
and then he admits that "He also got some things very wrong" But
amazingly he maintains "But his guesses are amazingly accurate"!
Could u believe that? A person who is supposed to be making his point
is contradicting himself time and again! Make up ur mind merle…as to
whether u want to go with the opinion that EPICURUS HAD ASTOUNDING
INSIGHT or whether THEY WERE LUCKY GUESSES; Whether HE GOT SOMETHINGS
VERY WRONG or whether THE GUESSES WERE AMAZINGLY ACCURATE…
And besides Merle says that Epicurus wrote in 300 BC so how could he
have insight into MODERN science?
And since Merle him self admits that "Using the accumulated
observations and reasons of the Greeks, he painted a picture of the
universe…" Well then that's PLAGIARIZATION!
5.    Merle asks: If the science in Iesha's book proves it is the
infallible word of God, does the science in Epicurus's work prove it
is God's word? Why not? Why can't a book that is reportedly written by
God come close to the science content of a book written by a man many
centuries earlier? If Allah was sneaking statements of science into
the Quran in order to impress us, he certainly could have done a
better job."
First of all, its not MY BOOK that we are talking about. It's a book
called the u which was written 1400 years ago in the Arabic language
and it still exists in its original form and while We Muslims maintain
that it is the LAST AND FINAL WORD OF GOD REVEALED TO THE LAST AND
FINAL MESSENGER OF GOD, Prophet Muhammad pbuh BUT the west and the
Church in particular and many ancient and modern day writers ALLEGE
that it was Written by Prophet Muhammad pbuh or by a number of people.
Now, coming to what Merle says, the SCIENCE in Epicurus's book can not
be used to prove that it is the WORD OF GOD because as Merle himself
admits "he got some things VERY WRONG" and any book claiming to be
from God must not have any WRONGS.
If the Qur'an or Bible or any HOLY book is proved to have even a
SINGLE mistake then it can not be THE WORD OF GOD. And while the book
of Epicurus, the Bible and the Veda have Mistakes, the Qur'an has not
a SINGLE! And if Merle thinks it does, he should show us at least ONE!
And if he does, I WILL THEN AND THERE DENOUNCE ISLAM!
But if he can't, and for sure he won't; He will have to accept that
ISLAM IS THE TRUTH.
AND NO THE QUR'AN IS NOT POOR IN SCIENTIFIC CONTENT, IT IS INFACT
AMAZINGLY RICH! And for God's sake Merle… do us a favour…stop reading
those MISLEADING translations and start reading the real STUFF! You're
not to Old to learn Arabic are u? And if that should not be TOO MUCH
to ask for; unless u r really a close minded person!
THE QUR'AN NOT ONLY COMES CLOSE TO THE SCIENTIFIC CONTENT OF
EPICURUR'S BOOK, BUT ALSO SURPASSES IT!
AND ALLAH HAS DONE A TRULY WONDERFUL JOB BY SENDING US THE GLORIOUSLY
QUR'AN WHICH HAS BAFFELLED SCIENTISTS THE WORLD OVER. ALL OF US JUST
NEED TO LEARN MORE.
6.    Merle says "Pity that. For Iesha previously invented words and said
that I spoke them, even though I did not speak them.
Uh…As if I've murdered merle or some thing! I never PLANNED to accuse
u of speaking what u hadn't spoken. You're blowing this out of
proportion! I mean do u really have so much of leisure time to waste
on such petty issues? Uh…this makes me sick! Just Try and get over it!
And Allah is enough for me as a witness and i don't need to waste time
convincing illogical people like u.
7.    Merle says: I am sorry that she believes that those who do not
speak the truth go to hell forever. One would hope that if God exists,
he is more merciful, and that those who misspeak, as Iesha did, will
not end up in hell forever.
One of the reasons that I've chosen Islam is that it ahs THE STRONGEST
AND CLEAREST CONCEPT OF GOD which only God himself could have taught.
And God is much more Merciful that you think. Read for instance The
Chapter of THE MERCIFUL in the Qur'an.
And there is a HUGE difference is LYING and MISSPEAKING. Misspeaking
could be a mere slip of the tongue while as a LIE is something
DECEITFUL and UNTRUE and FAKE and that's what Allah hates. In Islam a
person will never be punished for something he did unintentionally or
for a slip of the tongue But when a person realizes his mistake and
hides it and does not make emends ---that amounts to a LIE. And that's
when a person could end up going to hell. And since I immediately made
amends after realizing my mistakes I do not need to worry. And it a
far graver situation when one lies about the WORD OF GOD and that is
something I would never want to INTENTIONALLY do because those are
enough reasons to go to hell.
8.    Merle says "What reason can Muhammad give us to believe that the
Quran is written by God, other than astounding miracles? You are
making a fantastic claim, that a book that appears to be poorly
written and filled with evil recommendations (as well as good) was
written by God. Don't you need to show us something miraculous in
order to prove your claim? So far, your attempts to do that have
fallen far short."
Well…it seems Mr. Merle is contradicting his own statements! First he
says: "What reason can Muhammad give us to believe that the Quran is
written by God, other than astounding miracles?" And surprisingly just
one sentence later he says: "Don't you need to show us something
miraculous in order to prove your claim?"
It seems Merle is confused…Take time make up your mind!
You see…as is also evident from your own writing the human nature
always tends to persuade man to look for MIRACULOUS proofs, as Merle
has demanded, although in the First instance he wanted Prophet
Muhammad pbuh to give him proof OTHER THAN astounding miracles.
Prophet Muhammad pbuh was send as a Prophet by God and to give a
righteous lesson to the people God Inspired him with His words and
told him to go and tell the same to Mankind in order that they may be
successful. And in order that there may be a proof for them to believe
in the Prophethood of Muhammad pbuh HE gave him a number of MIRACLES
and in the words of Prophet Muhammad pbuh himself, "I have been given
a number of miracles but the only one which I claim is the Qur'an."
                                            THE QUR'AN CAME AS A PROOF FOR
MUHAMMAD; MUHAMMAD DID NOT COME AS A PROOF FOR THE QUR'AN.
The reason that we should believe in the Qur'an is that it is in the
original form in which it was revealed, it has no versions, it has
absolutely no mistakes and it has awe-inspiring Scientific Miracles
which only God Almighty could have revealed 14oo years ago.
And no one has anything to loose by following the Qur'an. It teaches
great things including submission and tolerance and does not contain
even a hint of immorality. In short since it is the Word of God, we
should be sure that what it teaches is for our eternal Peace and it is
the WAY OUT from eternal torture. These are the reasons which make a
Person accept and follow the Qur'an. The belief in God and Prophet
Muhammad pbuh will in turn come when one has accepted the Qur'an,
because this is one of the requirements laid down by our Creator in
the Qur'an for the Benefit of Mankind. Just a short while and all the
MIRACLES of the Qur'an and Islam will be completely brought before
mankind.
As Allah says in the Qur'an: "GRADUALLY THE CURTAIN SHALL BE LIFTED
UNTILL EVERY REVELATION OF OURS IS PROVED TO BE THE TRUTH."
9.    Merle says "Ah, but there is not one well-documented miracle that
verifies the Quran that we can see, is there? So what good is the
report of thousands of miracles, if these reports may have been
invented?" Merle says "Uh, if the moon had split in the ancient sky,
would not thousands of people have seen it, and would it not be
reported everywhere? This kind of legendary story is found all over
the world. Do you really expect me to believe such ancient legends?
You don't believe all of the ancient legends you read, do you? When I
ask for documentation of a miracle, I expect documentation that
historians would accept as valid."
Does Merle mean to say that every event of history that he believes to
have happened, he has been shown DOCUMENTED PROOF for it? What about
the Crucifiction of a man called Jesus our so-called HISTORIANS tried
tooth and nail to prove to us that THE CRUCIFIXION actually took place
however recent researches suggest that it was a HOAX.
I don't know hoe Merle expects such things to be REPORTED EVERYWHERE
keeping in mind the fact that historians through out human history
have tended to accept only what was FAVOURABLE while leaving out the
other and have also many a time TWISTED THE TRUE FACTS.
HISTORIANS are not the ultimate authority; they are not HOLY COWS who
can't commit mistakes. In fact many events in history have more than
one version.
Historians kept telling us about the BEAUTY of CLEOPATRA and how she
Seduced men BUT recently archeologists found coins dating to her reign
on which was found her picture and she was depicted with an ugly
witch's nose!
Then there were historical accounts of Shakespeare's EXCELLENT works
like MACKBETH and today Researchers Doubt as to whether He ever wrote
those Works! And instead there are speculations that they are the
property another writer who resembled Shakespeare in appearance and in
his date of birth and that Shakespeare was just a Stage play director.
History tends to take U-TURNS and historical accounts are not
absolute. However we can not completely discredit the accounts of any
one group of people so, I believe the DOCUMENTATION AND RECORDS of
Arab particularly Muslim Historians about Prophet Muhammad pbuh, his
life and works should not be completely discredited. In fact their
accounts should be more authentic than those of Dante or Salman
Rushdie because the Former have the Prestige of being the Prophet's
Companions or Associates of His Companions.
Its unfortunate that an educated man should say About Prophet
Muhammad's Good works that "THEY COULD ALL BE LEGEND" while he refuses
to accept that the West has build its Idea of Islam and Prophet
Muhammad pbuh on PREJUDICES which were propagated by the Church as a
tool for CHARACTER ASSASSINATION. And these PROPAGANDA are the actual
LEGEND about Prophet Muhammad pbuh. If a person wants to Know about
Him he should go and see the Hadith and AUTHENTIC ACCOUNTS.
In fact there have always been people from the West even who have
dared to brave the odds and to speak the Truth about Prophet Muhammad
pbuh. Take for example the German author Wolfgang Von Gothe who
exceedingly appreciated and Loved the Prophet Muhammad pbuh or the man
who in the list of
              HISTORIES IOO MOST INFLUENTIAL LEADRERS places Prophet
Muhammad pbuh NO#1!
http://www.scribd.com/doc/261451/muhammad-the-greatest
  Read YOU MUST KNOW THIS MAN MUHAMMAD
http://www.iiu.edu.my/deed/articles/muhammad.html
Read about WHY GOTHE MBRACED ISLAM
http://www.islamawareness.net/Converts/goethe.html and
WHAT PAMAKRISHNA RAO SAYS ABOUT Prophet Muhammad pbuh
http://members.rediff.com/razaelahi/muhammad.htm  and
WHAT MAKES HIM THE FAVOURITE OF PHILOSOPHERS
http://www.geocities.com/msacerritos/prophet_muhammad.htm
And read about Prophet Muhammad's EXEMPLARY LIFE OF LIGHT
http://www.infinitelight.org/content/view/8079/20
QUOTES ON Prophet Muhammad pbuh
http://hudabaharoon-islam.blogspot.com/2005/04/quotes-on-prophet-muhammad-pbuh.html

10.    Merle says "I suggest that you begin by reading Quran 9:1-13 in
context. We find there a horrible way to treat people of other
religions: They are forced to either accept Islam or be killed."

                                              …However, as we look at
the terms of that treaty as specified later, it is understandable that
idolaters might not find those terms acceptable. These verses force
them to make and accept a treaty that to them is not acceptable, for
it forces them to change religion. No, it does not say only to slay
the idolaters that have broken the treaty. It says to slay those that
have not fulfilled the specific treaty requirement of verse 4. If the
idolaters did not make the treaty of verse 4, Muhammad's followers are
clearly being told to kill them. Nowhere do verses 4 and 5 say that
the idolaters have first broken a treaty. It merely says they can
escape the doom by making a treaty and keeping it."
Where? Where are the terms of the treaty specified in a way that you
feel that they are unacceptable to Non Muslims?
AND HISTORY BEARS WITNESS TO THE FACT THAT NOT ONLY DID THE IDOLATERS
MAKE A TREATY BUT INFACT MANY OF ITS TERMS WERE UNACCEPTABLE TO
MUSLIMS AND HISTORY STANDS WITNESS TO THE FACT THAT THE IDOLATERS
THEMSELVES BROKE THE TREATY BECAUSE THE TREATY WAS NULLIFIED DUE TO
THE FACT THAT THEY DISRESPECTED THE RELIGION OF ISLAM, THEY PLOTTED TO
KILL Prophet Muhammad pbuh, THEY SOWED DISCONTENT AMONG MUSLIMS, THEY
INCITED THE TRIBES TO REVOLT AGAINST Prophet Muhammad pbuh BY LYING
ABOUT HIM, THEY MADE FUN OF THE FACT THAT THE MUSLIMS WERE ACTUALLY
ABIDING BY THE TREATY AND MADE THIS A POINT TO TAUNT THE MUSLIMS. IN
FACT THEY DID NOT EVEN PAY HEED TO THOSE MUSLIMS WHO WERE THEIR BLOOD
RELATIVES! WHENEVER Prophet Muhammad pbuh WOULD SEND A DELEGATION TO
THEM THEY WOULD OFTEN DISGRACE THEM AND HUMILIATE THEM. WHENEVER THEY
FOUND A SMALL GROUP OF MUSLIMS TRAVELLING IN THE DESERT WITH GOODS OF
TRADE THEY WOULD LOOT THEM, KILL THEM AND RAPE THEIR WOMEN.
The list of their misdeeds goes on. So, despite the fact that the
idolaters did not publicly announce the breaking of the treaty BUT in
actual practice they LEAST ABIDED BY THE TREATY. So, it seemed like a
BIG JOKE to the Muslims, it seemed they were the only ones who were
keeping the treaty while the supposed ALLIES were following their own
whims.
THIS WASN'T ACCEPTABLE. THIS CALLED FOR A WAR! So, it was as a
consequence of the laxity in carrying out their duties as per the
treaty on the part of the Idolaters which resulted in Prophet Muhammad
pbuh declaring that God had ordered him that the Muslims were now free
from the Treaty, this meant that they could go to war against the
Idolaters.
It has to be seen that through their misdeeds the idolaters had broken
the treaty by breaking their promises. However there was a group of
tribes with whom the treaty was still intact because they had not
broken it in any way and regards them the Qur'an tells the Muslims to
keep their treaty with them upto their term. And after that there was
to be no treaty with any group. In fact there was no need for it.
After the capture of Mecca the ISLAMIC COMMONWEALTH which had earlier
consisted of Medina now included Mecca and therefore the whole of
Arabia. This was not achieved by force rather, history is witness to
the fact that all the tribes willingly came forth to be a part of this
common weath and virtually the Whole of Arabia appeared to have
embraced Islam. It war thus that the Great Prophet Muhammad pbuh
united all the tribes, who were until then torn apart by war and
racism, into ONE single Nation where the RULE OF THE LAW was to be
Supreme.
This did not mean that no other religions would be tolerated, in fact
even today there are 40 MILLION COPTIC CHRISTIANS in Saudi Arabia.
This belies many theories which suppose that Islam forces people to
accept it.  If anything changed it was the fact that centuries old
Superstition was abolished, the Arabs willingly smashed all the Idols
which they had placed in the Ka'ba and some even converted their
Synagogues an Churches into Mosques and the Holy Cities of Mecca and
Medina were from then onwards to become the Sanctuaries of Islam. And
most important of ALL for the first time in history women were given
their legitimate right. Female infanticide was made a Punishable
Crime, it was a crime to ill treat ones wife and to prefer a son over
a daughter. Women were given the Right to carry out independent
Business and were free to make their choice for marriage and were
given the right to divorce as well as to remarry. Prostitution was
made a crime, rapists were awarded death penalty and those guilty of
falsely accusing women were declared inelligible to be ever produced
forth as Witnesses.  Slaves were set free, captives were set free and
occupations such as PROSTIUTION were banned. Arabia, now free of
Slavery and superstition began to make strides in all fields; The army
was mighty and well equipped; they developed an efficient postal
systems and administrative machinery; te public was consulted in state
affairs. There sprung from the heart of Arabia Wise men, Scholars,
Scientists, Artists, Architects and Great Explorers. It was a
revolution, THE TRULY GLORIOUS REVOLUTION, which was to change the
face of a nation. And this fact bears witness that Islam could not
have spread by the sword.
In fact there were people who did not embrace Islam but were not
harmed, there were even people who became Apostates to Islam but they
were NOT put to death, unlike the Church. In fact some later
re-embraced Islam.
The concept of freedom and equality was such that when Othman RA
became the Caliph an old woman who was present raised her voice and
said: "O Othman! If you deal with us justly well and good but if you
fail to carry out the duty entrusted to you, the people shall not
desist from holding your beard and dragging you into the streets!" and
Othman replied: "Its my pleasure that I have such people in my
Caliphate."                        And this is a society which m brought into existence
more than a THOUSAND years ago! And even today with all our might and
brain power we can only aspire to build such a nation.
This sense of Equality before the Law continues till the time of King
Abdul Aziz of Saud dynasty. M. Asad in THE ROAD TO MECCA narrates his
surprise at the GROUND REALITIES in what the world thought to be a
AUTOCRACY. Unlike how we are accustomed to using titles like YOUR
HIGHNESS or YOUR MAJESTY for rulers or ME LORD or YOUR HONOUR for
Judges, M. Asad says that the Bedouin subjects who came to meet him
did not use such a flattery tone in fact they did not even call him
MALIK ABDUL AZIZ No, Not even Abdul Aziz, Not even Aziz, they actually
called him AZIZI, which was his pet name! Just imagine this man was
supposed to be a KING. This is a reflection of what Prophet Muhammad
pbuh actually endeavoured to teach men and the society he wished to
develop.                                               
  Even the biggest DEMOCRACIES have never been able to achieve this
distinction. The Nation which is based on Islamic Rules for
Establishment of State and Society will never decay because its
caretaker is God himself. Its only when the Muslims forgot their noble
mission and the Great Prophet Muhammad pbuh that God took away from
them this distinction and consequently today we do not have any Truly
Islamic Nation.
Read TERRORISM AND JIHAD THE ISLAMIC PERSPECTIVE BY ZAKIR NAIK
11. Merle says "Here are people who want to worship in a way other
than Islam. And the followers of Muhammad are told to inflict pain,
and death on them, and to take them captive, unless they switch
religion. That is a horrible act of religious conquest. Further, the
idolaters are told they must pay the "poor-due". Well that is a nice
expression, but in actuality such demands for payment at the end of a
sword are nothing less than extortion" ……"But even if those stories
happened, how does that prove there were not other instances where the
early Muslims tortured others and engaged in wars of conquest? I am
sorry to report, but some ancient Muslims--and some modern
Muslims--did indeed torture and terrorize others. Read, for instance,
about the massacre of 80 million in India".
No one is asking for extortion money at the point of the Sword, the
Qur'an simply says that if a Captive embraces Islam then he has to
immediately be set free. But this is not the only option. At times the
Prophet Muhammad pbuh set Captives free in return for their educating
10 Muslim children etc. Religious conquest, Holy war by Muslims etc
are Myths that our Western writers have invented and that our parents
have blindly repeated. In fact these horrendous things are associated
with Christianity. It was when the CRUSADERS went out on a killing
spree that these words like Holy war were invented. The word Holy War
or Harbum Muqadasa is not found anywhere in the Qur'an, not even in
the Hadeeth. In short it is not a part of Islam, it is alien to Islam.
And of course Islam is not responsible for what Conquerers who were
Muslim by chanced did, just like Christianity is not responsible foe r
what Hitler did to the Jews nor is Hinduism responsible for What
Narendra Modi did in Gujarat in an act of STATE SPONSORED TERRORISM in
the GODRA MASSACRE in 2001.
You want to tell me abt the Masscre of 80 million in India? Will you
tell us what is Genocide? Will You tell us what is evil using the
sword? WE Muslims are the nation against who the most genocides have
been committed, we are the nation who even today face the worst type
of discrimination, we don't need anyone to teach us how it feels when
you are uprooted from your homes because we have experienced the
Palestine tragedy, we don't need any one to teach us what it means
when you are not allowed to practice your religion because we are
discriminated against in France, we know what it means to have your
Lands snatched by Conquerors because even after a Glorious Islamic
History of 600 yrs the Crusaders raised Spain to the Ground and such
was the turn of tables that a Muslim was not even free to Give the
Call for prayer in Spain. And even today in East Turkistan a person
can go to jail for publicly Reading the Qur'an. Here in India which
boasts of being a secular nation there is nothing more than a SECULAR
NOTION. Muslims can't avoid being discriminated by Taxi Drivers
Fearing which they have to use a Hindu sounding name. Right here in
Kashmir Mosques are desecrated and Muslim Women are raped and Muslim
youth are Murdered on the Pretext of being Terrorists by the SECURITY
FORCES of the Indian Army.
And yet I do not have the slightest contempt or rage against Hindus or
Sikhs or the Army or any other Group of people. Because ALL
GENERALISATIONS ARE WRONG. Every community has black Sheep but you
can't pick up these black sheep and portray them as CONTEMPORARY
MUSLIMS. Living in India I know that there was a time when Muslims had
RULED India for a thousand years and the same Muslims are today at the
Mercy of Hindu Fanatics and there was a time when Sikhs ruled India
but today they are taunted and Jeered and there was a time when …   See
how tables turn over! Every Community has had its ups and downs its
rise and fall and every community has its Heroes and its black sheep.
You can never Judge a Religion by its followers just like you can
never Judge a car by its driver. If a driver bangs up a Mercedes who
will you blame- the car or the driver? Of course the Driver.
Islam is not responsible for what Muslims do. If you want to Judge
Islam go back to its original sources i.e. the Qur'an and Hadith. And
Judge Islam by the Noble way of Prophet Muhammad pbuh as correctly
recorded by his trustworthy Companions.

11.    Merle says "A competent writer would have realized that the words
written here could be used to justify religious conquest"
Yes, Allah in His infinite wisdom would have known that Mischief
mongers would twist such verses and blow them out of proportion to
make room for Terrorism, Religious Fanaticism, Intolerance, Religious
Conquest etc. And that's why He followed up these Verses with those
that remind us that we should not go to Extremes and should be
tolerant etc. This is how Allah Strikes a balance in the Qur'an; while
He teaches us that Muslims should never belittle them selves and that
to bring about law and Order and Peace Jihad or a Just Struggle
whether by Words, actions, uprisings- armed or unarmed under the
leadership of a just Leader should be carried out BUT it also tells us
that we should have Mercy and Compassion even for the Enemy and it
teaches us that Humans are but one Big family.
The Qur'an Has GREAT things to say about MERCY:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_qura.htm
Read ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN THE QUR'AN ENCOURAGES TERRORISM
http://www.ing.org/latestnews/default.asp?num=17
MERCY OF ALLAH http://www.pakistanlink.com/religion/98/re-11-27.html
The Verses teaching love and Compassion are far more in number and
greater in intensity than Verses which invite Muslims to REVOLT
against Oppression or Towards War and constitute just a Scratch of the
Qur'an.
A person who reads the Qur'an as a Book in the Way it aught to be read
and in its original text will never come across

12.    Merle says "And yet Allah is continuously referred to in the third
person in the Quran. Further, the book frequently uses the word "I" to
indicate that somebody else is speaking other than Allah. (See also
these verses, which indicate that somebody other than Allah wrote the
Quran:  6:104, 6:114, 37:164-6, 51:50, 84:16 ) All of this makes it
confusing to tell exactly who all is included in the word "we".
We will just see the fallacy of such claims; and how Mr. Merle makes
these Verses appear more CONFUSING than they actually are. AS TIME IS
LIMITED AND THE ANSWER QUITE ELABORATE AND I MAY NOT HAVE ACCESS TO
INTERNET FOR NEXT THREE MONTHS SO INSHA ALLAH I WILL MAIL THE ANSWER
TO MERLE WHO WILL KINDLY POST IT ON THE BLOG.


17. Merle says "You refer to certain stories, and yet most, if not
all, of these stories of Muhammad--other than the brief mentions in
the Quran--were written over 200 years after his lifetime. Those later
stories could all be legend. We really have no means of confirming if
any of those other stories you report actually happened".
                                          Merle says "For instance,
Denis Giron writes: The reality is we have no reliable sources from
which we can make any decisions with regard to the role Muhammad
played in the creation of the Qur'an. The Qur'an itself tells us
nothing, outside of a few ambiguous mentionings of a certain muhammad,
or "praised one." All information on Muhammad, who he was, his
interaction with Jibreel, his prophethood, et cetera, are derived from
a highly questionable source: the ahadith. These are traditions that
were, for the most part, written down and compiled more than two
hundred years after the events they are allegedly relating. In fact,
by the admission of the Muslims themselves, the most respected ahadith
are those compiled by Imam Bukhari, who died in the late ninth century
(roughly 870 CE), nearly two hundred and forty years after the time
that Muhammad allegedly lived. [source: Qur'an: A Work of Multiple
Hands?]"

AS TIME IS LIMITED AND THE ANSWER QUITE ELABORATE AND I MAY NOT HAVE
ACCESS TO INTERNET FOR NEXT THREE MONTHS SO INSHA ALLAH I WILL MAIL
THE ANSWER TO MERLE WO WILL KINDLY POST IT ON THE BLOG.


20.Merle says "Ah, but the Quran has been shown to be wrong in many
places. It says creation took only six days. It says the sun sets in a
muddy spring. Of course there are rational ways to disprove the Quran"
Since I've already refuted these CLAIMS Mr. Merle needs to find some
other SUPPOSED flaws in the Qur'an in order to convince us. And so far
his attempts have fallen short to give us any SOLID PROOF for the
ALLEGED HUMAN AUTHORSHIP of the Qur'an. Merle, give me something real
to chew man…  AND WOULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEAN BY "rational ways to
disprove the Qur'an"?
What you have stated are really FUNNY WAYS OF DISPROVING THE QUR'AN
rather than RATIONAL ones.
21. Merle says "If a man is irrational, should he not be shown a
better way? How can torturing a person for all eternity be a good
solution to irrationality?"
Yes, of course he should be shown a way out and that's exactly what
the Qur'an does; it shows a way out, a way out of Darkness and into
light. But only few people pay heed and are humble enough to even
consider the Qur'an for a fair scrutiny. And those close minded people
are the once who have willingly chosen NOT to take the WAY OUT. They
have themselves shut all the Doors which lead to the way out. IF You
are an open minded person and are NOT an audascious preverter of the
truth and are on an Honest search for the Truth then you have no need
to CRY "FOUL". Its only when a person knows that there are awful
truths wich he does not want to accept and facts that he wants to
pretend to be non existent that he just does nothing but to cry foul.
Like what Merle is doing.
Its only after considering the Qur'an that you can say whether or not
it provides a way out.
Merle could say that he does not believe in the Qur'an. But a person
has to specify EXACTLY WHICH VERSES of the Qur'an he DOES NOT agree
with.
For Instance, The Quran says that The EARTH IS SHAPED LIKE AN
OSTRICH'S EGG (........) that THE SUN AND MOON TRAVEL FOR AN APPOINTED
TIME AND DO NOT OVERTAKE EACH OTHER (……..) that EVERYTHING IN SPACE
FLOATS i.e. FALAQ or the HEAVENLY BODIES FLOAT (……) that ALL LIFE WAS
CREATED FROM WATER(……)  that THERE ARE COMMUNITIES OTHER THAN HUMANS
(…..) that WHILE ASCENDING IN SPACE THE CHEST GETS CONSTRICTED (……)
that IN OLD AGE A PERSON RETURNS TO INFANCY (……) that MAN IS HELPLESS
BEFORE THE FORCES OF NATURE, that THERE IS NO SUPERIORITY ON BASIS OF
RACE OR COLOUR (……) that THE AAD AND THAMOUD (their ruins are found in
Arabia)  WERE GREAT NATIONS BUILT WITH GREAT ARTISTIC EXPERTISE (….)
that IN A DEEP SEA A MAN CAN NOT SEE HIS HAND(…….) that MOUNTAINS
STABILISE THE EARTH (…)that A BARRIER SEPARATES THE SWEET AND SALTY
WATER (……) that CLOUDS CAUSE RAINS(……)  et cetera
AND I believe most of us will agree with ALL these facts and may more;
in fact even SCIENCE has confirmed 80% of the Qur'an to be correct and
the rest 20% is AMBIGUOUS. AND SO, WE SHOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS
80% however due to lack of Knowledge we tend to overlook these facts.
Generally out of the 6OOO odd verses of the Qur'an 1/6th i.e. a
THOUSAND are SCIENTIFIC MIRACLES and anyone who is given apt info
about them will agree with me. So, we have no problem with this sixth
part.                                             The there remain five parts of the
Qur'an; A large chunk of which consists of Poetic expressions and
Natural beauty which I believe is Quite acceptable to most of us.   
          Then there are stories and parables of Great people, Kings
and Prophets etc and tales of Ancient Cities and their Destruction
which form history. And in many instances such as the DISCOVERY OF
PHAROH'S MUMMY by Dr. Maurice Bukail or THE DISCOVERY OF NOAH'S BOAT
or THE DISCOVERY OF THE WALL OF CYRUS; The Qur'an has been PROVED
CORRECT. However, as is the case with HISTORY accounts vary from one
source to another and so no source can be completely discredited and
so HISTORICAL ACCOUNTS CAN'T be used to Disprove the Qur'an. So till
here We will generally agree with the Qur'an. Then there is a part of
the Qur'an teaching Morality and Good manners which I believe most of
us will appreciate. In fact the Qur'an does not have even a single
Expression of Immorality or Pornography. However the Bible
Unfortunately has expressions of pornography which can not be
attributed to God.                                         

      Then comes the PROBLEM; rather the ALLEGED PROBLEMS. This is the
part of the Qur'an which needs knowledge and wisdom for its correct
understanding. This includes Verses like those which Merle has sited
and many other verses which would confuse a layman who has very
limited knowledge. And as many of us would have noted THE CULPRITS in
most of the Cases are THE FAULTY TRANSLATIONS. But when a person reads
such verses with wisdom and understanding then there is no room for
doubt. These include verses which are CLAIMED to be SCIENTIFIC ERRORS
of the Qur'an. These also include verses which we unfortunately take
to be INTOLERANT, ENCOURAGING TERRORISM, EVIL etc. But these claims
are far from Truth. These are just reflections of our Prejudices and
preconceived notions. For instance if the Church had never woven myths
around Prophet Muhammad pbuh for the Purpose of CHARACTER ASSASINATION
and if Western Historians would have not spread the MYTH of MUSLIM
FANATICS CONVERTING PEOPLE AT THE POINT OF THE SWORD; then I believe
our minds would have had much more room to accept the truth of Islam.
So, we have to get rid of these prejudices and pre-conceived ideas and
then with open minds we should proceed to analyse Islam.
Then, there is a part of the Qur'an which deals with BELIEFS and
PRACTICES and this is an area where every society and religion has a
right to have its own set of beliefs. Questioning these beliefs and
practices does not yield much.  However, with regards the Qur'an, any
person who has agreed with the other FIVE parts of the Qur'an i.e.
Scientific Miracles, Poetic expression, Morality, Historic accounts
and has also seen the truth behind the ALLEGED ERRORS in the Qur'an
will certainly accept the Divine origin of the Qur'an.
In fact, all the various aspects such as scientific miracles,
excellent morality, brilliant parables, poetic eloquence, stunning
discoveries relating to the Qur'an are INVITATIONS to people to
Convince a person to ACCEPT Islam and a person who will be satisfied
will AUTOMATICALLY accept the part of the Qur'an relating to Beliefs
and Practices and such a person will obviously accept That THERE IS A
GOD AND THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH AND Prophet Muhammad pbuh IS HIS
MESSENGER.
22.    Merle says "Where does the Quran ever say that the sun rotates on
its axis? Iesha certainly has shown us no verses that say this"
Firstly it wasn't I who said that "the sun rotates on its axis", this
is a claim of DR. GARRY MILLER in his article THE QURAN IS AMAZING BY
GARRY MILLER. However he has just given a passing mention of this. I
have referred to the book MIRACLES OF QUR'AN AND HADEETH by Abdul
Ghani Allaqaband and his views are as follows … "…….."
23.    Merle says: If the writer of the Quran understood time zones and
that the earth was round, why does he say that a man traveled to the
point where the sun rises, and then west to the point where it sets in
a muddy spring?"
I have already explained this point. And since the Author of the
Qur'an DOES NOT SAY that "the sun  sets in a muddy spring" and so Just
like He understands time Zones and that the Earth is Round so e also
understands that the sun only APPEARS to set or rise BECAUSE AFTER ALL
THE AUTHOR OF THE QUR'AN IS OUR BELOVED CREATOR, ALMIGHTY GOD WHO SEND
THE QUR'AN TO HIS TRUSTED SLAVE Prophet Muhammad pbuh AS A GUIDE FOR
ALL PEOPLES AND ALL TIMES AND SO THAT……WE  ARE SHOWN A WAY OUT INSTEAD
OF ETERNAL TORTURE. BUT THE CHOICE LIES WITH US WETHER WE WANT TO TAKE
ADVANTAGE OF OUR RIGHT TO CHOOSE OR WETHER WE WANT TO FOLLOW MANKINDS
WORST ENEMY WHO IS SATAN.

MAY ALLAH GUIDE ALL OF US AND FREE US OF OUR PREJUDICE AND IGNORANCE.
AND MAY HE SHOW US MORE AND MORE EVIDENCES FOR THE TRUTH OF ISLAM. AND
MAY MUSLIMS BECOME WHAT ISLAM ACTUALLY STANDS FOR AND MAY ALL OF US
DISSOLVE UR DIFFERENCES AND MAY HUMANITY ONCE AGAIN BECOME ONE
COMMUNIT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE WISH OF OUR LORD AND MAY THIS WORLD BE
FREED OF TERRORISTS AND MAYPEACE PREVAIL…AMEEN
This is the DUA I will make for Humanity when I leave for UMRAH to the
Holy City of Mecca, Insha Allah. I am going away for at least three
months to a place where I will have no access to internet and
luxuries. Merle I could carry on… But I have done my Job; I have
conveyed the Message and have tried my best to convince you. And I
could hang on and share a lot more BUT sadly this is the Parting
between me and you… FROM here onwards You're on your own Merle and I'm
not running away from this debate but i have to go… In fact I have
been so convinced of the Truth of Islam that no FORCE ON EARTH can
shatter my faith because it is based on REASON AND UNDERSTANDING and
not mere Belief.                          If you are destined to be
guided onto the right path Allah will guide you and save you and then
no one can misguide you BUT if Allah does not wish to guide you, even
if all the Muslims of the world would unite  they would not be able to
guide you. Once again Merle and all those read this, I beg you to
search deeper into Islam an to read the Views of both the sides, I
invite you to Embrace Islam because Allah says: "The only way of life
acceptable t your Lord is Islam"  Id is so difficult to accept the
simple Message that There is no God but Allah and that Prophet
Muhammad pbuh is his Messenger? That's what Islam is… It liberates
you. And once again I beg all those who are on the search for truth
that Accept Islam and embrace Islam because the day of Reckoning is
drawing near and that day the only refuge from the fire will be Islam!


                    Yes, this is the way out, Islam is the way out,
and Islam is the Alternative to eternal torture.
              O BROTHERS AND SISTERS! O SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF ADAM! WE
WERE CREATED FROM DUST AND WILL BECOME DUST, NO ONE KNOWS HOW MUCH
TIME HE HAS.
MAKE HAY WHILE THE SUN SHINES…ACCEPT THE WAY THAT IS STRAIGHT AND
RIGHTEOUS. EMBRACE ISLAM…EMBRACE ISLAM BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!
GOD SAYS IN THE QUR'AN: "ISLAM IS BOUND TO SUPERSEED ALL AND TO
CONQUER ALL OTHER WAYS OF LIFE!"

In order to understand the seriousness of my claims please read these
articles. They changed my life and I hope they will change yours too.
I. ISLAMIC ARTICLES
Prophet Muhammad pbuh in HINDU SCRIPTURES
http://sufi786786.sulekha.com/blog/post/2007/01/the-prophet-muhammad-saw-in-hindu-scripture.htm
Prophet Muhammad pbuh IN PARSI SCRIPTURES
http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/parsi1.html
Prophet Muhammad pbuh IN BUDHIST SCRIPTURES
http://www.islamawareness.net/Buddhism/Scriptures
Prophet Muhammad pbuh IN Buddhist SCRIPTURES  By Zakir Naik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrlE4R5Sy9U
  Prophet Muhammad pbuh in Major Scriptures By M.N.ANDERSON
http://www.geocities.com/islamicmiracles/muhammad_peace_be_upon_him.htm
VIDEO: TERRORISM AND JIHAD- THE ISLAMIC PERSPECTIVE Dr. Zakir Naik
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2tzpo_terrorism-and-jihad-islamic-perspec_news
II. Articles for Christians:
1.    Prophet Muhammad pbuh  in the Bible
http://www.missionislam.com/comprel/muhbib.htm
2.    Was Prophet Muhammad pbuh Prophesised by
        Jesus & Isaiah?  http://www.missionislam.com/comprel/isiah.htm
3.    Where did the King James Bible come from?
http://www.missionislam.com/comprel/kingjames.htm
4.    101 Contradictions in the Bible
http://www.missionislam.com/comprel/biblecontra.html
III. Articles by people who have willingly embraced Islam:
1. The Bible led me to Islam!
http://www.missionislam.com/comprel/bibleled.htm
                2.On my way to Becoming a Lutheran Minister
http://www.missionislam.com/comprel/onmyway.htm                   
3. From the Watch tower to the Minaret.
http://www.missionislam.com/comprel/watchtower.htm
  4.Real-Life Stories of Christian preachers who have embraced Islam
http://www.missionislam.com/comprel/former.htm
IV. SCIENTIFIC ARTICLES
ATLAS OF CREATION BY HARUN YAHYA: (for a free copy mail me)
THE QURAN IS AMAZING BY GARRY MILLER
ISLAM AND MODERN SCIENCE-by Dr. MAURICE BUKAIL            
QURAN AND MODERN SCIENCE- compatible or incompatible: Zakir Naik
  MIRACLES O CREATION IN DNA-HARUN YAHYA
MIRACLE OF CREATION IN HORONES- HARUN YAHYA
EXTRACTS FROM VIDEO THE TRUTH
  COMMENTS ON QURAN BY TOP SCIENTISTS
VIDEO OF SCIENTISTS COMMENTING ON QURAN
MUSLIM CONTRIBUTIONS TO SCIENCE
QURAN AND MODERN SCIENCE DR ZAKIR NAIK
http://www.iqra.org/index/itemdesc.asp?ic=792987&eq=&Tp
INJUSTICE WITH MUSLIMS IN FRANCE
http://www.missionislam.com/comprel/jewsiscon.htm
THE GUJARAT MARRACRE OF MUSLIMS
http://www.sacw.net/Gujarat2002/Harshmandar2002.html
Brother Merle Pl. mail me your postal address at
leagueofpeace@gmail.com because there is a little gift I want to send
you. Also others who would like to get free Islamic Media can mail me
their addresses.
GOOD BYE AND GOD BLESS.
I'LL PRAY FOR ALL OF US TO CHOOSE THE PATH THAT'S RIGHT.